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explode the bazaars your e-ticket ride

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into the world of the paranoid

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strap yourself here as we traverse the

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universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

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ghosts lost world

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cryptozoology waters as well as other

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dimensions it's time to take back the

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night last night now your electrifying

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hosts of exploring the bizarre Timothy

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Beckley and Tim Schwartz Wow you know

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who that man is over there watch that

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guy in the overalls

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yeah he's famous it's buck Nelson but

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Nelson he's one of the early UFO

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contactee and he says he went for a ride

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in a flying saucer to the moon Mars and

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well if that's buck Nelson isn't that

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the dog then that was given to him by

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the king from was it Mars Venus I can't

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remember well yeah wait you know people

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think well he's you know he's a farmer

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there and he wears coveralls and you

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know he made the whole thing up but I've

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seen photos that he's taken over his

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place in Arkansas and the dog maybe his

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friend mo from Mars he even gave me a

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couple of hairs in exchange for a small

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donation I remember that did it great

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Barker also saw some of those errors for

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a while well it's the hair of the dog

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that's all that's all I know well this

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is this is incredible I haven't I

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haven't thought of buck Nelson in a in a

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long time actually he was one of my

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favorite favorites I mean I can't say

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that I buy the story you know but it's

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pretty wild but he was one of the few he

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and along with Howard manager Tim were

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one of the few East Coast contactees and

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every there every year there in Arkansas

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and his farm

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had a he had a UFO conference a kind of

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homespun type of thing you know and put

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out there benches that the people set on

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and had a little speaker stand and well

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I've seen the photographs on the the you

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know on the internet and all and I even

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have a copy somewhere here of his little

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a book that I understand it's been

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reprinted my trip to a Mars of moon and

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Venus very interesting one of the early

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contact these stories but we're gonna

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hear more about that tonight aren't

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whatever well I hope so I hope so late

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Tim I've got a an interesting little

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story for you here quick okay last week

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we had our guests who were talking about

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alleged phone calls from the dead well

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when when we finished up last week's

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program and it took me a little while to

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get everything shut down get my notes in

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order and everything and so when I left

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my office the my television was still

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turned on and it was on a network called

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me TV and just as I came out of the

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office a Twilight Zone episode started

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and funny enough it was the episode

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where the old lady is getting phone

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calls from her dead fiancé so I I know I

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know you like a little synchronicity

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stories so that's why I like you in my

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cereal every morning yeah well I didn't

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I didn't even know that the twilight

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zone was was being shown that night so

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it's just like I was I was amused by

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that it's it's still a great dish Oh in

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fact you know I met two Rod Serling it's

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a kind of an intimate this story and I

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matrix of philip k dick in the

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synchronicities of tim Beckley that big

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old 415 page by him and speaking of

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volumes you know what i have in my hand

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I have a copy of a book that you just

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the workout and worked on and I was

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gonna say I guess what book that is but

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you would have a hard time since you've

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worked on dozens and dozens of books

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that we've published but this one yeah

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yeah this one just came out a couple of

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days ago it's called Nikola Tesla

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journey to Mars update exposing the

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existence of the secret space program

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with Shawn Castile and Commander X but

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you're one of the main authors of the

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the book it's a strange book I mean

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because according to this Tim we've been

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on Mars for quite a while yeah it's an

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interesting story I mean you know I

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station that I I worked at and

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all people had been responsible for

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interesting stories about that the whole

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scenario well there you go I so hey

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and and our old friend dusty ward now

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sought after investigator of UFO

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conspiratorial occult and paranormal

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eight years more than 85,000 people have

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attended one of John's signature weird

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lectures now John's column and articles

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have been printed in magazines

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newspapers worldwide and he is lectured

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to numerous people and private schools

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and organizations now he's the author of

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over a dozen books and John has been

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interviewed extensively on radio and

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television an aside from his lectures

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and due to his extended time involved in

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occult research he has acted as a

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consultant for numerous companies

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including unsolved mysteries sightings

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program very scary stories paranormal

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state ghosts stalkers and paranormal

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couple of times now so it's always great

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to have Steve back with us now Steve is

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set a course for his future path now

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1966 UFO flap occurred virtually in his

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the best as he says however was yet to

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come the following November a winged

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humanoid chased two couples down a

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West Virginia and the legend of Mothman

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chasing the Mothman the rest of his life

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involved in the Mothman festival both

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coming up later this month so we'll

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about it so John Steve thank you very

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much for being with us tonight on

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exploring the bizarre no hey thanks what

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you know i i'm i'm really interested

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here and in the book nelson a story now

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republish reprinted the book yeah I was

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weirdness and so this year I was trying

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researchers do full of stuff and I kept

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had quite a large organization out there

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the contact fees of making money off of

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their stories but the truth of the

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their lectures were what a buck you know

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sir so I was I was putting I found a

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bunch of their newsletters I about a

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half dozen and so I started thinking

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about republishing them just to get them

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back out in circulation and so people

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pilgrimage and wonderful book yeah yeah

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copy of bucks book and there were some

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copies but there was there was one copy

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that had been published and somebody

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writing that buck had originally written

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it in and there were some people that

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illustrations and drawings and I said

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listen I'm just gonna put one out that

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was the way that buck had it so that

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people can look at it and remember that

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time and kind of see how not only

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strange and silly bucks story was but I

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mean I think that when you hold the book

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how honest he seems to be portraying his

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story it just gives you a really good

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glimpse into what it was like and in

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that time yeah he you know he was also

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says that he was visited by the men in

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black I I believe he was on his way to

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lecture somewhere on the Greyhound bus

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and he had some sort of confrontation

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with the MIBs and he ended up going back

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some mids and they told him not to tell

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his story anymore and then when he got

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up outside and he said there were two

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men in a car and another this was

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another mid encounter once he got back

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home and then a man came in his house

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and told him you know I hope you got the

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message in Indiana don't keep telling

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your story well tell us about the

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Martian dog so he people that know this

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he loved his dog and you know the first

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time that he went on one of his trips to

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outer space he didn't get to take his

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dog but the second time that he went on

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a trip not only did he get to take his

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dog but there was a giant Venusian dog

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that the that the extraterrestrials or

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the visitors had brought with them and

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so bucks dog and the extraterrestrials

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dog took a bath

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in a lake and then they got on the

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Flying Saucer and they all you know went

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across the solar system together and and

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you know what would they trippy what was

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a tripping out there at Arkansas

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Wildwood weed you know it's really funny

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you mentioned it in the earlier and I

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don't know how many people know if you

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were joking or not but they did used to

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sell the hair you know now there's DNA

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proof if there ever was one yeah but I

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think that they in fact had a photo of

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the dog and they both look pretty much

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the same except the Marchant doggy took

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the picture real close-up and you know

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so it made the dog look like he was much

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larger than he really wasn't and I think

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he parted his hair you know on the other

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side or something like that just to give

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it a little look at twists you know well

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they do look very similar yeah he was a

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very fun even how to be probably one of

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the the most folksy of the contactees I

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mean he wore coveralls yeah and you know

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we had this convention there and the are

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any Ozarks and had benches that were

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made you know how to plywood and and a

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little stand and I think he even had a

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carnival in the back didn't they bring a

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carnival in and you know you could write

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yeah yeah there it was almost like it's

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almost like I was there you know there

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were there's some really great photos

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from a photographer in Florida who in

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the 60s went to one of bucks last

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conventions and took some photos and

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those are online and I I recently was

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talking to him right before I published

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the book I was asking about released for

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pictures and stuff like that but I

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didn't want to publish pictures that

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hadn't been published in the original

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book but while I was talking to that

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photographer he told me in a one of the

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stories that buck told in his later

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years was he had gone to a convention

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and told his story and when he came home

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this giant oak tree in front of his

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house was gone but the aliens came and

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took an oak tree I mean if they they

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pulled it out by the baby but he bit he

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be billy meier to it

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well it's funny because this

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photographer they couldn't believe this

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story buck was telling them on top of

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all the other stories buck was telling

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him that the aliens had stole this giant

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tree from in front of bucks property so

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they went after the convention was over

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this photographer and his friend who you

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know were in there yeah early 20s at the

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time they drove down to the only gas

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station in town and some kids came up

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and they were like hey were you just at

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bucks and they were like yeah and these

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kids started laughs and they said you

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know he was out of town for a couple

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weeks we cut down the tree in front of

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his house we dug the stump out and we

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covered it up with sod we really

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probably freaked him out and so even

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though these photographers they never

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they were like look we're not even gonna

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tell Bach that this was all a prank

362
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pulled on him by these kids because he's

363
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got enough problems as it is yeah poor

364
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buck but how did he what did he die from

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I mean was there anything you know

366
00:17:02,970 --> 00:17:00,759
strange about his passing there nope

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nope he lived you know and he was

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already a you know somewhat older guy

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and you know once he reported his story

370
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- you probably remember I'm sure the

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listeners don't like you said there's

372
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only a handful of us that remember this

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stuff but as soon as he published his

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book he got kicked off of his pension

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because they said he was in C yeah yeah

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that's a reason to get away you ought to

377
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get double the money one of the things

378
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that I found really fascinating when I

379
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was republishing the book and looking at

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the original copies because even even

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buck put out two different versions but

382
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in both versions of the book buck talks

383
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about when he was first taken on the

384
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ship he felt like he wanted to sleep a

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lot because where he was on the ship and

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he couldn't tell where in space he was

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but all he knew was that there was a

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clock that showed that there was a

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sunrise and a sunset and it was

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happening there were 17 I'm to anything

391
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how this goes

392
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17 sunrises and 17 sunsets a day where

393
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he where he was at and for some reason

394
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that stuck in my mind when I was reading

395
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all this stuff and so I went and I

396
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looked back on the internet and what I

397
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found out that was really kind of

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interesting is that that is actually

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what happens on the International Space

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is that the Sun rises and sets seven the

401
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same or there's seventeen Sun rises

402
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number seventeen Sun sets every day when

403
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you're in outer space on the space

404
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station

405
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oh no okay oh that's it you you and I

406
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sit here and we get a chuckle out of

407
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this and we take it all with a grain of

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the hairs hair the dog well I I mean do

409
00:18:51,870 --> 00:18:49,010
you think he had anything you know going

410
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I mean you know there any any part of a

411
00:18:57,730 --> 00:18:55,220
reality is seep into his experience I

412
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mean that's what we're all interested in

413
00:19:02,170 --> 00:19:00,320
right is where does where where does

414
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this reality stop and start was he

415
00:19:06,490 --> 00:19:04,010
getting precognitive flashes of

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something you know in the dream state or

417
00:19:11,530 --> 00:19:09,340
was he imagining something was he being

418
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you know messed around with by the

419
00:19:14,950 --> 00:19:13,190
government who might have been messing

420
00:19:17,380 --> 00:19:14,960
around with people because you know you

421
00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:17,390
have that era of nuts-and-bolts

422
00:19:22,330 --> 00:19:19,730
spaceships that have exhaust pipes and

423
00:19:24,750 --> 00:19:22,340
fumes coming out the back and you know

424
00:19:27,850 --> 00:19:24,760
they don't seem to be high-technology

425
00:19:30,010 --> 00:19:27,860
extraterrestrial vehicles so you know

426
00:19:33,010 --> 00:19:30,020
where is that blend of someone just

427
00:19:36,130 --> 00:19:33,020
making something up and someone maybe

428
00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:36,140
tapping into you know that larger kind

429
00:19:43,300 --> 00:19:38,810
of cosmic mind that we may or may all

430
00:19:45,820 --> 00:19:43,310
not be in contact with very strange but

431
00:19:48,550 --> 00:19:45,830
I'm sure you you've got a lot of stories

432
00:19:51,370 --> 00:19:48,560
to tell I can I can I can I can see that

433
00:19:53,350 --> 00:19:51,380
and and we've already been talking for

434
00:19:54,250 --> 00:19:53,360
20 minutes and we still know too much we

435
00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:54,260
don't know anything about your

436
00:19:59,230 --> 00:19:56,690
background except that your tent tend to

437
00:20:00,760 --> 00:19:59,240
believe in crazy stories but that's okay

438
00:20:03,250 --> 00:20:00,770
that's acceptable on this program

439
00:20:05,110 --> 00:20:03,260
because it is exploring the bizarre that

440
00:20:08,470 --> 00:20:05,120
right Tim that's right that's right

441
00:20:11,650 --> 00:20:08,480
we're here to look into the world of the

442
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weird I'll give you a really a brief a

443
00:20:17,230 --> 00:20:13,610
really brief recap but just of where I

444
00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:17,240
come from I started off as just like a

445
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punk rock kid in Detroit in the early

446
00:20:23,380 --> 00:20:21,650
80s and I never liked people telling me

447
00:20:26,500 --> 00:20:23,390
how to think and what I could think

448
00:20:29,350 --> 00:20:26,510
about and fascinated by the stories of

449
00:20:32,260 --> 00:20:29,360
the Munroe monster Bigfoot in the 60s in

450
00:20:33,950 --> 00:20:32,270
Michigan and the 66 flap that Steve

451
00:20:36,169 --> 00:20:33,960
knows so much about

452
00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:36,179
and all of the fascinating you know

453
00:20:39,529 --> 00:20:37,890
ships and planes that disappear in the

454
00:20:40,519 --> 00:20:39,539
Great Lakes that got me fascinated and I

455
00:20:42,649 --> 00:20:40,529
met a guy who was a conspiracy

456
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:42,659
researcher he was a history teacher at

457
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one of the colleges here at Wayne State

458
00:20:48,260 --> 00:20:46,409
and he took me under his wing as a

459
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gopher I got coffee for him and wrote

460
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letters for him and I started going to

461
00:20:56,360 --> 00:20:52,620
what were then called metaphysical

462
00:20:59,570 --> 00:20:56,370
conventions and meeting a lot of I say

463
00:21:05,600 --> 00:20:59,580
this very genuinely and with Revere a

464
00:21:07,820 --> 00:21:05,610
lot of you old-timers you know getting

465
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to meet people like Hans Holzer and Ed

466
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and Lorraine Warren and John keel and

467
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Richard Hall and just people from that

468
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era really started expanding and opening

469
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my mind and you know by the time I was

470
00:21:22,909 --> 00:21:21,510
in college I got I was going to school

471
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to be a history teacher I thought I'd

472
00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:24,809
just specialize in folklore and I got

473
00:21:28,279 --> 00:21:26,850
this call from NBC I asked him if I

474
00:21:29,750 --> 00:21:28,289
wanted to be a researcher for this show

475
00:21:33,409 --> 00:21:29,760
called unsolved mysteries and it all

476
00:21:40,130 --> 00:21:33,419
kind of took off from there the gun you

477
00:21:41,930 --> 00:21:40,140
had a real job our dude until mysteries

478
00:21:43,460 --> 00:21:41,940
at first of all I mean they they dealt

479
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mostly with well like murder mysteries

480
00:21:49,190 --> 00:21:46,950
and things like that yeah after they ran

481
00:21:51,409 --> 00:21:49,200
out of people being killed which you'd

482
00:21:52,909 --> 00:21:51,419
think would never happen is when they

483
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moved into the Queen Mary and Lizzie

484
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Borden and UFO sightings and abductions

485
00:22:02,799 --> 00:21:58,649
and that's kind of where I came in you

486
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:02,809
know I watch unsolved mysteries every

487
00:22:09,590 --> 00:22:05,850
morning it's there must be like three

488
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:09,600
hours on some station on the you know on

489
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TV and the cable and I always manage to

490
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watch an hour worth of the program and

491
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even though I've probably seen each of

492
00:22:24,830 --> 00:22:21,659
them I always have missed something in

493
00:22:27,409 --> 00:22:24,840
fact one of my favorite abduction

494
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:27,419
stories was actually dramatized on there

495
00:22:31,940 --> 00:22:29,970
I think it was on there at Carl higdon I

496
00:22:36,649 --> 00:22:31,950
may be wrong it could have been on in

497
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:36,659
search of but his wife just recently

498
00:22:39,710 --> 00:22:38,010
came out with a little a book that they

499
00:22:42,590 --> 00:22:39,720
put together about his experiences of

500
00:22:44,629 --> 00:22:42,600
being abducted out there in Wyoming he

501
00:22:46,820 --> 00:22:44,639
was a hunter that went out one day and

502
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tried to shoot at the elk and the bullet

503
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came out in slo-mo

504
00:22:54,060 --> 00:22:50,650
right you burn up yeah yeah when I'm

505
00:22:59,490 --> 00:22:54,070
bored the craft where the the pilot hat

506
00:23:02,820 --> 00:22:59,500
it looks like a punk rocker in Wyoming

507
00:23:05,970 --> 00:23:02,830
right in like 70 yeah well he's still

508
00:23:07,980 --> 00:23:05,980
he's still around and I have been trying

509
00:23:09,780 --> 00:23:07,990
like hell to get him on the program he

510
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:09,790
he's not in grade to health but I do

511
00:23:14,340 --> 00:23:12,730
speak to his wife and they came out with

512
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:14,350
this little the booklet retelling the

513
00:23:19,530 --> 00:23:17,410
story and he still swears to this day

514
00:23:23,310 --> 00:23:19,540
that it really happened to him and and

515
00:23:26,070 --> 00:23:23,320
unlike a buck Nelson we love you but he

516
00:23:28,020 --> 00:23:26,080
had more than a hair the dog going a you

517
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:28,030
know a for him he's got the bullet that

518
00:23:33,450 --> 00:23:30,970
was twisted inside out and and some

519
00:23:39,150 --> 00:23:33,460
other you know evidence that indicates

520
00:23:41,010 --> 00:23:39,160
he was removed from Planet Earth alright

521
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:41,020
Tim well I need to interrupt you here

522
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because we are coming up to our first

523
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break of the show so when we come back

524
00:23:51,630 --> 00:23:48,160
we'll bring Steve into the conversation

525
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:51,640
so stay tuned you're listening to

526
00:23:59,210 --> 00:23:55,810
exploring the bizarre on Casey art right

527
00:24:01,830 --> 00:23:59,220
back now back to exploring the bizarre

528
00:24:04,980 --> 00:24:01,840
with two of the most electrifying

529
00:24:10,870 --> 00:24:04,990
researchers in the Paranoid your hosts

530
00:24:17,450 --> 00:24:14,450
and we're back with exploring the bazaar

531
00:24:20,630 --> 00:24:17,460
I'm Tim Schwartz we've been talking with

532
00:24:23,630 --> 00:24:20,640
John Tenney so I Tim now let's bring us

533
00:24:25,700 --> 00:24:23,640
Steve Ward into the conversation Steve

534
00:24:28,370 --> 00:24:25,710
how you doing tonight I'm doing great

535
00:24:31,550 --> 00:24:28,380
oh it's always great to have you on the

536
00:24:37,390 --> 00:24:31,560
show now during the break you and John

537
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:37,400
were talking about you both were at a

538
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:39,600
conference in the Upper Peninsula of

539
00:24:43,100 --> 00:24:41,250
Michigan last week

540
00:24:44,420 --> 00:24:43,110
yeah the Michigan Paracon Dave I don't

541
00:24:47,540 --> 00:24:44,430
know how many years they've done it now

542
00:24:50,470 --> 00:24:47,550
but it's uh gets really they hold it up

543
00:24:53,450 --> 00:24:50,480
in one of the casinos up there and they

544
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:53,460
get a really really good turnout and

545
00:24:57,260 --> 00:24:54,930
they get a lot of the big names and the

546
00:24:59,330 --> 00:24:57,270
paranormal and so forth and I'm going to

547
00:25:01,160 --> 00:24:59,340
have to admit that I did go see some of

548
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:01,170
the speakers but I played hooky a good

549
00:25:05,390 --> 00:25:02,970
part of the time and get a lot of

550
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:05,400
schmoozing it's at these places it's a

551
00:25:08,450 --> 00:25:06,570
lot of fun to go around and talk to

552
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:08,460
people and and you know exchange ideas

553
00:25:14,540 --> 00:25:11,520
and it's it's really a good time

554
00:25:17,180 --> 00:25:14,550
so now were you uh were you give another

555
00:25:18,890 --> 00:25:17,190
lecture were you in there oh no no I'll

556
00:25:21,590 --> 00:25:18,900
be giving a few coming up this month in

557
00:25:23,780 --> 00:25:21,600
fact during the break we were talking a

558
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:23,790
little bit about John keel and at the

559
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:25,890
Mothman festival I will be talking about

560
00:25:34,370 --> 00:25:30,930
John keel the Mothman festival now that

561
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:34,380
sounds familiar yeah have we talked

562
00:25:39,380 --> 00:25:37,410
about this before I yes in fact the

563
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:39,390
first time I was on exploring the bazaar

564
00:25:44,150 --> 00:25:41,330
was 2015

565
00:25:46,790 --> 00:25:44,160
and I was on with Nick Redfern talking

566
00:25:49,700 --> 00:25:46,800
about one of his more recent books and

567
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:49,710
and and the Claudia Cunningham the MIB

568
00:25:58,520 --> 00:25:54,570
lady was on oh we were talking about do

569
00:26:00,500 --> 00:25:58,530
a hayride yes that's uh I mean they have

570
00:26:02,420 --> 00:26:00,510
they have speakers there they have the

571
00:26:05,150 --> 00:26:02,430
vendors they have speakers all day

572
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:05,160
Saturday and Sunday you know it's of

573
00:26:08,570 --> 00:26:06,480
course it's a great place it's in Point

574
00:26:09,050 --> 00:26:08,580
Pleasant West Virginia deep in the Ohio

575
00:26:12,290 --> 00:26:09,060
Valley

576
00:26:15,500 --> 00:26:12,300
it's a along the Ohio River there's the

577
00:26:18,260 --> 00:26:15,510
scenery there's the history and but also

578
00:26:20,660 --> 00:26:18,270
on Saturday night is is the night that

579
00:26:22,730 --> 00:26:20,670
we there's three of us threatened the

580
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:22,740
only only tour guides in the TNT area

581
00:26:26,460 --> 00:26:23,650
the only mouth

582
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:26,470
and festival in the world and we we

583
00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:29,170
guide people in it's one of them's like

584
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:30,880
a traditional hayride it even has you

585
00:26:34,470 --> 00:26:32,650
know bales of hay on it the others

586
00:26:37,470 --> 00:26:34,480
actually have seats on it which which I

587
00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:37,480
appreciate but we go into the dreaded

588
00:26:42,570 --> 00:26:39,600
TNT area where the Mothman was

589
00:26:43,950 --> 00:26:42,580
supposedly seen that first time you know

590
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:43,960
the two couples that were chased down

591
00:26:51,150 --> 00:26:49,930
route 62 on November 15 1966 and it's

592
00:26:52,890 --> 00:26:51,160
set up a little bit like a Halloween

593
00:26:56,100 --> 00:26:52,900
hayride I mean there's not a not a lot

594
00:26:57,870 --> 00:26:56,110
of scares on there because the area

595
00:27:00,540 --> 00:26:57,880
itself if you've ever been there is

596
00:27:02,910 --> 00:27:00,550
incredibly creepy in the daytime and at

597
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:02,920
night it just gets amped up but it is

598
00:27:08,490 --> 00:27:06,010
it's a lot of fun the people on board

599
00:27:10,260 --> 00:27:08,500
are really responsive we have you know

600
00:27:13,170 --> 00:27:10,270
the first first thing that happens is

601
00:27:14,700 --> 00:27:13,180
you're stopped by men in black there's

602
00:27:16,890 --> 00:27:14,710
three guys dressed up like men and black

603
00:27:19,050 --> 00:27:16,900
some years they chase you in and on a

604
00:27:20,370 --> 00:27:19,060
golf cart with a siren and they've got

605
00:27:23,220 --> 00:27:20,380
the megaphone you know warning you not

606
00:27:24,750 --> 00:27:23,230
to go into the area and so forth and of

607
00:27:26,340 --> 00:27:24,760
course there's a pretty good chance

608
00:27:28,860 --> 00:27:26,350
there's gonna be a flyover of the

609
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:28,870
Mothman at some point with red glowing

610
00:27:37,890 --> 00:27:33,970
eyes and a really cool scream Wow yeah

611
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:37,900
it's a lot I thought I was serious about

612
00:27:48,060 --> 00:27:45,250
the subject so now how long how long has

613
00:27:51,420 --> 00:27:48,070
this been been taking place now this

614
00:27:53,730 --> 00:27:51,430
will be the 17th festival it started out

615
00:27:54,990 --> 00:27:53,740
with very humble beginnings and the last

616
00:27:57,660 --> 00:27:55,000
couple years they've drawn in about

617
00:27:59,670 --> 00:27:57,670
10,000 people you know this is all open

618
00:28:01,640 --> 00:27:59,680
air there's no the only thing you pay

619
00:28:04,410 --> 00:28:01,650
for is a few bucks for the hayride

620
00:28:06,690 --> 00:28:04,420
everything else is free all the talks

621
00:28:08,100 --> 00:28:06,700
and everything so and they've extended

622
00:28:10,140 --> 00:28:08,110
it down the street so it's not quite so

623
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:10,150
crowded I mean they have all the vendors

624
00:28:15,540 --> 00:28:13,570
they have a a life-size Stay Puft

625
00:28:17,610 --> 00:28:15,550
Marshmallow Man from ghostbusters

626
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:17,620
they have one of those what do they call

627
00:28:22,140 --> 00:28:18,850
them those pull line things that the

628
00:28:24,090 --> 00:28:22,150
kids can can swing down and so they have

629
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:24,100
all that stuff too so if you're you know

630
00:28:27,030 --> 00:28:25,450
if the families come in and not

631
00:28:29,870 --> 00:28:27,040
everybody's interested in the the

632
00:28:34,590 --> 00:28:29,880
paranormal there's other stuff to do but

633
00:28:36,450 --> 00:28:34,600
it you know the the speakers have

634
00:28:37,170 --> 00:28:36,460
usually have a booth or a table set up

635
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:37,180
they're very

636
00:28:43,250 --> 00:28:39,130
accessible this is where you know in

637
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:43,260
2006 was my first one and the back in

638
00:28:48,870 --> 00:28:46,690
1976 I attended the MUFON symposium in

639
00:28:51,300 --> 00:28:48,880
Ann Arbor which was ten years after the

640
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:51,310
swamp gas fiasco and dr. J Alan Hynek

641
00:28:56,010 --> 00:28:53,650
was there so and I got to meet a lot of

642
00:29:00,000 --> 00:28:56,020
people but it was a long dry period

643
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:00,010
between 1976 and 2006 and like John

644
00:29:03,570 --> 00:29:01,690
Tenney just said the only thing I

645
00:29:06,690 --> 00:29:03,580
intended in between I think were some of

646
00:29:09,060 --> 00:29:06,700
these psychic fairs you know that was

647
00:29:13,020 --> 00:29:09,070
the the only way that I could in fact I

648
00:29:14,970 --> 00:29:13,030
met Laura mundo one of the yeah she's

649
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:14,980
Laura Laura mark sorre originally yep

650
00:29:21,150 --> 00:29:18,370
right she was a Detroit area contactee

651
00:29:24,300 --> 00:29:21,160
there she in fact she got you know air

652
00:29:27,450 --> 00:29:24,310
herself in the middle of a dr. Hynix a

653
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:27,460
swamp gas a press conference there's a

654
00:29:34,170 --> 00:29:30,250
photo of Hynek holding up a photograph

655
00:29:36,420 --> 00:29:34,180
of one of the Adamski Scout ships I'm

656
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:36,430
pretending like he thinks it's you know

657
00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:38,770
legit or something because I guess she

658
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:41,200
handed it to him or something and he's

659
00:29:45,030 --> 00:29:43,210
pointing to it you know and that that's

660
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:45,040
the photograph you ever see usually see

661
00:29:49,890 --> 00:29:46,890
if I Nick at the press conference

662
00:29:51,660 --> 00:29:49,900
so it was it was great when I when I was

663
00:29:53,940 --> 00:29:51,670
just my wife was was just laughing

664
00:29:56,820 --> 00:29:53,950
because I had this grin on my face from

665
00:29:58,860 --> 00:29:56,830
ear to ear and that's where I met Jeff

666
00:30:00,810 --> 00:29:58,870
Wamsley who was one of the cofounders of

667
00:30:02,940 --> 00:30:00,820
the festival and he's written a couple

668
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:02,950
books on the Mothman where he went back

669
00:30:06,150 --> 00:30:04,690
and reinterviews people there are very

670
00:30:09,180 --> 00:30:06,160
good supplements to the original book

671
00:30:10,620 --> 00:30:09,190
the Mothman Prophecies and I met that

672
00:30:14,010 --> 00:30:10,630
year I met rosemary ellen guiley

673
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:14,020
and and so many people over the years so

674
00:30:18,300 --> 00:30:15,970
and then last year Jeff asked me to

675
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:18,310
speak and he asked me to come back again

676
00:30:22,770 --> 00:30:21,130
this year so it's quite an honor and and

677
00:30:24,540 --> 00:30:22,780
I'm also going to be kind of emceeing it

678
00:30:27,030 --> 00:30:24,550
looks like I'll be introducing a lot of

679
00:30:29,610 --> 00:30:27,040
the speakers so and also I go down early

680
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:29,620
to help run all the cables and wires for

681
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:31,570
the Mothman and and help but John and

682
00:30:36,990 --> 00:30:33,370
Jim freak who are the the geniuses

683
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:37,000
behind the low-tech operation to fly the

684
00:30:41,340 --> 00:30:39,250
Mothman it's what you you know people

685
00:30:43,410 --> 00:30:41,350
people go back there in the in the what

686
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:43,420
the old acid plant this creepy place and

687
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:45,130
you see they've got this low-tech

688
00:30:49,410 --> 00:30:47,290
operation set up which works beautifully

689
00:30:50,850 --> 00:30:49,420
and so that's part of the show if you

690
00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:50,860
got if you're on the inside

691
00:30:57,509 --> 00:30:52,720
you get to go back there and watch John

692
00:30:59,009 --> 00:30:57,519
and Tim fly the Mothman so now what

693
00:31:01,529 --> 00:30:59,019
what's your lecture going to be yeah

694
00:31:03,690 --> 00:31:01,539
this year yeah I've been actually was I

695
00:31:05,759 --> 00:31:03,700
had a different thing in mind but Jeff

696
00:31:09,570 --> 00:31:05,769
Walmsley asked me and he and Jeff knew

697
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:09,580
John if I would talk about John teal and

698
00:31:14,340 --> 00:31:12,730
I never got a chance to meet John but

699
00:31:16,500 --> 00:31:14,350
it's been been quite a challenge

700
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:16,510
I mean condensing John keel down into

701
00:31:22,620 --> 00:31:19,570
about 15 minutes fortunately a friend of

702
00:31:25,019 --> 00:31:22,630
the show Brett rains he has been writing

703
00:31:26,879 --> 00:31:25,029
a book on John keel and I think the

704
00:31:28,919 --> 00:31:26,889
working title is something like the man

705
00:31:31,950 --> 00:31:28,929
myths and mysteries John keel the man

706
00:31:34,529 --> 00:31:31,960
myths and mysteries and rosemary ellen

707
00:31:36,210 --> 00:31:34,539
guiley her her publishing houses is

708
00:31:38,250 --> 00:31:36,220
publishing the book they gave me

709
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:38,260
permission to look at the PDF of what

710
00:31:41,700 --> 00:31:40,210
he's done so far so that's one of my

711
00:31:44,039 --> 00:31:41,710
some of my source material there which

712
00:31:46,980 --> 00:31:44,049
has been really helpful and I think he's

713
00:31:48,299 --> 00:31:46,990
hoping to get it out this fall sometime

714
00:31:52,710 --> 00:31:48,309
but I know he's still doing interviews

715
00:31:55,529 --> 00:31:52,720
and so forth there's also Brent is a

716
00:31:58,190 --> 00:31:55,539
great researcher he's really he's really

717
00:32:00,750 --> 00:31:58,200
top-notch I mean he manages to get the

718
00:32:02,639 --> 00:32:00,760
interviews that nobody else gets you

719
00:32:04,289 --> 00:32:02,649
know I mean really really he's got his

720
00:32:06,659 --> 00:32:04,299
own podcast he's right he's right on the

721
00:32:08,909 --> 00:32:06,669
money and is well I was very impressed

722
00:32:10,259 --> 00:32:08,919
with some of the some of the things he

723
00:32:13,409 --> 00:32:10,269
came up with and some of the things he

724
00:32:16,740 --> 00:32:13,419
uncovered some things I knew about but

725
00:32:20,190 --> 00:32:16,750
other things I didn't so I also have

726
00:32:23,070 --> 00:32:20,200
used Doug Skinner as a John keel comm

727
00:32:25,590 --> 00:32:23,080
website with a wealth of Doug Skinner

728
00:32:26,879 --> 00:32:25,600
was the one of the guys that helped John

729
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:26,889
toward the end when he was getting kind

730
00:32:32,789 --> 00:32:30,250
of old and needed some assistance but he

731
00:32:34,590 --> 00:32:32,799
has taken all this material and every

732
00:32:37,230 --> 00:32:34,600
month put some out on this website it

733
00:32:39,269 --> 00:32:37,240
just does her nominal so everything our

734
00:32:42,750 --> 00:32:39,279
friend and our friend of ratso larry

735
00:32:47,009 --> 00:32:42,760
sloman was also where you write good

736
00:32:48,990 --> 00:32:47,019
friends with the with the John so and

737
00:32:53,009 --> 00:32:49,000
fortunately you know there was a time

738
00:32:56,879 --> 00:32:53,019
when keel was being forgotten he I

739
00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:56,889
remember when art bell had him on he he

740
00:32:59,820 --> 00:32:58,090
didn't know anything about the Mothman

741
00:33:02,039 --> 00:32:59,830
he had never really heard anything about

742
00:33:04,470 --> 00:33:02,049
the Mothman I thought you know I mean I

743
00:33:06,900 --> 00:33:04,480
was the guy that bought the Mothman

744
00:33:08,909 --> 00:33:06,910
prophecies in hardcover with the dust

745
00:33:10,380 --> 00:33:08,919
jacket off the shelf I knew it was

746
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:10,390
coming out I was probably the first

747
00:33:16,890 --> 00:33:11,650
maybe the one of the only ones to buy it

748
00:33:20,220 --> 00:33:16,900
but you know I was I was there i Hank I

749
00:33:24,659 --> 00:33:20,230
haven't I had a copy of that as well

750
00:33:27,539 --> 00:33:24,669
Steve so you weren't the only one but

751
00:33:29,610 --> 00:33:27,549
but also and then a few years later a

752
00:33:32,190 --> 00:33:29,620
pretty well-known talk-show host

753
00:33:33,990 --> 00:33:32,200
nobody here but there was some event

754
00:33:35,820 --> 00:33:34,000
coming up in Pennsylvania that they

755
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:35,830
thought John keel was going to be at and

756
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:38,650
he said you know it's gonna be this UFO

757
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:39,970
guy there but I'm sorry I don't remember

758
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:42,370
his name and I thought you don't know

759
00:33:46,890 --> 00:33:44,410
John keels name but his books at that

760
00:33:48,990 --> 00:33:46,900
point had not been reprinted and he was

761
00:33:52,500 --> 00:33:49,000
you know this is this great mind and

762
00:33:53,970 --> 00:33:52,510
that his still making waves today was

763
00:33:56,190 --> 00:33:53,980
being forgotten but all that's changed

764
00:33:58,130 --> 00:33:56,200
now I mean just about everything he's

765
00:34:01,140 --> 00:33:58,140
written including these his obscure

766
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:01,150
articles and magazines are available all

767
00:34:06,299 --> 00:34:03,130
his major books you know we've got Brett

768
00:34:09,300 --> 00:34:06,309
rains coming out with this great book

769
00:34:11,970 --> 00:34:09,310
and you know it's finally turning around

770
00:34:14,010 --> 00:34:11,980
and you have people like Nick Redfern

771
00:34:16,590 --> 00:34:14,020
and in one of his more recent books

772
00:34:19,109 --> 00:34:16,600
black diary he makes a reference to John

773
00:34:20,940 --> 00:34:19,119
keel and he says you know John keel was

774
00:34:23,540 --> 00:34:20,950
ahead of his time and wherever he is now

775
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:23,550
he still is probably ahead of his time

776
00:34:27,659 --> 00:34:25,810
most mary ellen guiley said the same

777
00:34:30,450 --> 00:34:27,669
thing in the introduction to Brett rains

778
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:30,460
book and I was even at a you know who

779
00:34:35,099 --> 00:34:32,770
above david Politis --is the missing

780
00:34:36,659 --> 00:34:35,109
four one one guy okay well last fall I

781
00:34:38,940 --> 00:34:36,669
was at what a conference that he spoke

782
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:38,950
at and he and Stan Gordon are talking

783
00:34:42,119 --> 00:34:40,330
back and forth they had their tables

784
00:34:44,250 --> 00:34:42,129
next to each other and you talk about a

785
00:34:46,260 --> 00:34:44,260
fascinating conversation and at one

786
00:34:48,510 --> 00:34:46,270
point David Politis stops and he says

787
00:34:51,570 --> 00:34:48,520
you know John keel he was ahead of his

788
00:34:54,990 --> 00:34:51,580
time and it's it's so good to see the

789
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:55,000
tide change and you know that that he he

790
00:35:01,230 --> 00:34:57,490
made he was such a major influence on me

791
00:35:04,020 --> 00:35:01,240
when I read Trojan horse that he he was

792
00:35:07,470 --> 00:35:04,030
a paradigm destroyer you know I was very

793
00:35:09,450 --> 00:35:07,480
happy with ET and little silver suited

794
00:35:12,090 --> 00:35:09,460
aliens jumping out of egg shaped craft

795
00:35:15,780 --> 00:35:12,100
and and he'll really messed that up

796
00:35:18,180 --> 00:35:15,790
I came kicking and screaming what are

797
00:35:19,950 --> 00:35:18,190
the first books of

798
00:35:23,370 --> 00:35:19,960
keelson I ever read and you know I

799
00:35:25,620 --> 00:35:23,380
bought this at a used bookstore before I

800
00:35:30,270 --> 00:35:25,630
had read anything else by keel and that

801
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:30,280
was his book jadoo oh and you know that

802
00:35:34,380 --> 00:35:32,290
that was always one of my favorite books

803
00:35:36,359 --> 00:35:34,390
and then you know I started reading I

804
00:35:39,359 --> 00:35:36,369
you know I ran across me like our

805
00:35:41,309 --> 00:35:39,369
haunted planet and some of his other

806
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:41,319
earlier ones and then I got to looking

807
00:35:46,650 --> 00:35:44,170
I'm like John keel oh that's the same

808
00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:46,660
guy who wrote you I do yeah and then I

809
00:35:49,829 --> 00:35:48,250
was you know I was this hook you know

810
00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:49,839
hooked on the guy and then you know like

811
00:35:57,750 --> 00:35:52,240
you said then Mothman Prophecies came

812
00:35:59,730 --> 00:35:57,760
out and it's just like oh my god can I

813
00:36:01,920 --> 00:35:59,740
tell you a couple things about jaddu who

814
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:01,930
apparently is just been reprinted

815
00:36:05,069 --> 00:36:03,490
recently and when they originally

816
00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:05,079
published it they didn't want his

817
00:36:08,460 --> 00:36:06,880
romance to be in there with this young

818
00:36:10,859 --> 00:36:08,470
lady that he was involved with so that's

819
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:10,869
all been restored and it could make make

820
00:36:16,109 --> 00:36:14,170
some kind of uh it gives you the whole

821
00:36:18,180 --> 00:36:16,119
picture of John keel you know because he

822
00:36:20,190 --> 00:36:18,190
did have this great romance with this

823
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:20,200
German girl I believe so that's been

824
00:36:24,390 --> 00:36:22,690
restored and then there are some great

825
00:36:27,839 --> 00:36:24,400
lectures that are have been available

826
00:36:34,940 --> 00:36:27,849
anyway but John keel gave to the what is

827
00:36:41,010 --> 00:36:38,250
Baltimore right corner recorders of four

828
00:36:43,980 --> 00:36:41,020
corners or somebody's cornered yeah yeah

829
00:36:47,250 --> 00:36:43,990
I went down there a couple of times with

830
00:36:49,500 --> 00:36:47,260
them you know they met everybody that

831
00:36:51,450 --> 00:36:49,510
was involved in that a great little show

832
00:36:53,849 --> 00:36:51,460
but they never quite got it too well

833
00:36:55,710 --> 00:36:53,859
organized I mean they never had 800

834
00:36:57,359 --> 00:36:55,720
people that I know of are they one time

835
00:36:59,220 --> 00:36:57,369
they set it up at the University and

836
00:37:02,430 --> 00:36:59,230
they had all these booths and all these

837
00:37:03,540 --> 00:37:02,440
speakers and a handful of people showed

838
00:37:07,740 --> 00:37:03,550
up I don't know thank you

839
00:37:09,660 --> 00:37:07,750
well unfortunately yeah yeah well some

840
00:37:13,260 --> 00:37:09,670
of these are not good quality but some

841
00:37:15,660 --> 00:37:13,270
of those were preserved on tape how many

842
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:15,670
towns now have festivals it's out of

843
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:16,210
control

844
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:22,210
oh they all have festivals now in Pine

845
00:37:28,380 --> 00:37:26,890
Bush last year that was my trip away and

846
00:37:31,079 --> 00:37:28,390
of course they invited me to speak down

847
00:37:32,010 --> 00:37:31,089
in Point Pleasant but I have some

848
00:37:33,930 --> 00:37:32,020
problem getting

849
00:37:37,380 --> 00:37:33,940
there I haven't driven in a few years

850
00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:37,390
and it's quite a haul and anyway I'd

851
00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:39,250
love to make it down of course I was

852
00:37:47,220 --> 00:37:42,400
went down with Jim Mosley and Greg

853
00:37:48,750 --> 00:37:47,230
Walker and Barbara Hudson after the

854
00:37:50,310 --> 00:37:48,760
Silver Bridge

855
00:37:54,180 --> 00:37:50,320
you know collapsed which of course is

856
00:37:56,430 --> 00:37:54,190
part of the the story you know I meant a

857
00:38:00,270 --> 00:37:56,440
survivor that went down in the Silver

858
00:38:02,130 --> 00:38:00,280
Bridge and and survived the ordeal I

859
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:02,140
don't know we want to tell the story now

860
00:38:09,750 --> 00:38:07,570
or later but last December was was 50

861
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:09,760
years since the bridge collapsed and the

862
00:38:14,550 --> 00:38:11,530
last few years they've had a remembrance

863
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:14,560
ceremony there in Point Pleasant well we

864
00:38:21,330 --> 00:38:18,130
heard that there was this guy that had

865
00:38:22,770 --> 00:38:21,340
survived the collapse and he was there

866
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:22,780
somewhere we didn't I met him the next

867
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:25,330
day bill Edmondson met him down at the

868
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:27,370
river museum and he told us a story

869
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:31,210
about how he survived he was driving a

870
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:33,850
semi from the Point Pleasant side to the

871
00:38:38,010 --> 00:38:35,770
West Virginia's I'm sorry West Virginia

872
00:38:40,410 --> 00:38:38,020
to the Ohio side and he's hauling

873
00:38:43,620 --> 00:38:40,420
material to Detroit to be for a tire

874
00:38:45,300 --> 00:38:43,630
company and the bridge just started you

875
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:45,310
know in the film where Richard Gere is

876
00:38:49,050 --> 00:38:46,810
running around and has all kinds of time

877
00:38:53,310 --> 00:38:49,060
to warn people well the actual collapse

878
00:38:55,410 --> 00:38:53,320
took 30 to 40 seconds and so the bridge

879
00:38:56,670 --> 00:38:55,420
started swaying back and forth he was

880
00:38:59,160 --> 00:38:56,680
holding on to the steering wheel just

881
00:39:01,050 --> 00:38:59,170
try to stay in place everything let

882
00:39:03,180 --> 00:39:01,060
loose he hit the water with such force

883
00:39:06,870 --> 00:39:03,190
that he was thrown through the window

884
00:39:09,750 --> 00:39:06,880
our right arm first and still has a pin

885
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:09,760
in his arm to this day he went there was

886
00:39:14,550 --> 00:39:11,530
good news and bad news he went to the

887
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:14,560
bottom but he was free of the truck and

888
00:39:20,130 --> 00:39:17,410
the current started to pull him up the

889
00:39:21,870 --> 00:39:20,140
bad news was the force was so bad his

890
00:39:25,620 --> 00:39:21,880
pants were pulled down which almost

891
00:39:27,450 --> 00:39:25,630
sounds funny but 1960s pant cuffs they

892
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:27,460
were still dragging behind him there was

893
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:29,050
debris still falling from the bridge

894
00:39:34,230 --> 00:39:31,570
caught him and pulled him back under hmm

895
00:39:36,510 --> 00:39:34,240
so he finally was able to break free

896
00:39:39,060 --> 00:39:36,520
came to the surface there was this big

897
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:39,070
mass of material that he was hauling

898
00:39:42,300 --> 00:39:41,650
floating on the surface his right arms

899
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:42,310
no good

900
00:39:47,339 --> 00:39:44,770
it's it's

901
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:47,349
December 15th that's 20 degrees the

902
00:39:51,420 --> 00:39:49,210
water is freezing it's just after five

903
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:51,430
o'clock the sun's almost down he puts

904
00:39:56,609 --> 00:39:52,930
his left arm through the slit of this

905
00:39:59,280 --> 00:39:56,619
material to stay afloat a a tugboat

906
00:40:01,140 --> 00:39:59,290
captain sees him and they pull him up

907
00:40:04,260 --> 00:40:01,150
out of the water just moments before he

908
00:40:06,329 --> 00:40:04,270
would have died of hypothermia so I have

909
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:06,339
never I mean I've heard many stories of

910
00:40:10,770 --> 00:40:08,290
survival and read them but I have never

911
00:40:13,620 --> 00:40:10,780
heard a story told one-on-one about

912
00:40:15,420 --> 00:40:13,630
survival like this and he was a he was a

913
00:40:17,310 --> 00:40:15,430
great guy he was there with the support

914
00:40:19,620 --> 00:40:17,320
of his family and he wanted to come

915
00:40:22,170 --> 00:40:19,630
there too he was from North Carolina he

916
00:40:24,870 --> 00:40:22,180
wanted to come there to show his support

917
00:40:28,950 --> 00:40:24,880
of the 46 people that died that night on

918
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:28,960
the bridge you know it makes it makes

919
00:40:36,870 --> 00:40:32,650
you wonder if the whole Mothman you know

920
00:40:39,870 --> 00:40:36,880
story and mythology would be with us

921
00:40:43,050 --> 00:40:39,880
today if it had it been for the Silver

922
00:40:45,540 --> 00:40:43,060
Bridge collapse it's you know it's just

923
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:45,550
it's almost like the catalyst that that

924
00:40:50,099 --> 00:40:48,490
kind of sent that story over I think

925
00:40:52,530 --> 00:40:50,109
that that's probably right because there

926
00:40:54,300 --> 00:40:52,540
are there have been other areas like

927
00:40:56,370 --> 00:40:54,310
this flap areas where a lot of weird

928
00:40:58,950 --> 00:40:56,380
things happen that didn't get this kind

929
00:41:00,810 --> 00:40:58,960
of attention but they you know even if

930
00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:00,820
there's no direct connection it's

931
00:41:05,310 --> 00:41:03,730
connected in in space and time you know

932
00:41:07,230 --> 00:41:05,320
people are never gonna separate them

933
00:41:08,730 --> 00:41:07,240
well and that's the thing too right I

934
00:41:11,089 --> 00:41:08,740
mean that's what we all think about too

935
00:41:13,950 --> 00:41:11,099
I mean what if you have these types of

936
00:41:15,630 --> 00:41:13,960
you know kind of retro synchronicities

937
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:15,640
where the more we think about it and

938
00:41:18,900 --> 00:41:17,200
explore in the future how do we know

939
00:41:20,460 --> 00:41:18,910
we're not changing it and making it even

940
00:41:22,380 --> 00:41:20,470
weirder than it was when it originally

941
00:41:25,470 --> 00:41:22,390
happened in the past I mean we might be

942
00:41:29,599 --> 00:41:25,480
directly affecting the past by what

943
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:29,609
we're doing in the future I like that

944
00:41:34,859 --> 00:41:33,010
well and that's you know that's you you

945
00:41:37,490 --> 00:41:34,869
know you say that though but I mean that

946
00:41:41,370 --> 00:41:37,500
is something that has been discussed

947
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:41,380
earnestly with quantum physicists is

948
00:41:47,790 --> 00:41:44,890
that yeah is that the the past is being

949
00:41:51,410 --> 00:41:47,800
affected by the future so I mean Anna

950
00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:51,420
you know it's it's very similar to what

951
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:54,730
childhoods end you know that Arthur

952
00:41:59,410 --> 00:41:56,090
Clarke wrote

953
00:42:01,540 --> 00:41:59,420
out where the the you know the the

954
00:42:04,510 --> 00:42:01,550
coming of the aliens was so traumatic

955
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:04,520
that it actually sent like as a psychic

956
00:42:10,650 --> 00:42:07,610
pulse through into the past

957
00:42:14,710 --> 00:42:10,660
yeah to influence that that demonic

958
00:42:17,770 --> 00:42:14,720
devil imagery well unfortunately we are

959
00:42:21,550 --> 00:42:17,780
coming up to the top of the hour break

960
00:42:23,350 --> 00:42:21,560
so let's go ahead Tim and go to that so

961
00:42:26,410 --> 00:42:23,360
when we come back we will continue our

962
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:26,420
conversation with John Tenney and Steve

963
00:42:32,980 --> 00:42:29,810
Ward and we'll talk about more weird

964
00:42:33,460 --> 00:42:32,990
stuff on exploring the bizarre so stay

965
00:42:35,230 --> 00:42:33,470
tuned

966
00:42:47,970 --> 00:42:35,240
is this where you get to play the

967
00:42:54,930 --> 00:42:52,240
explode the bazaars are your e-ticket

968
00:42:58,210 --> 00:42:54,940
ride into the world of the paranoid

969
00:43:01,230 --> 00:42:58,220
strap yourself in as we traverse the

970
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:01,240
universe exploring the unexplained UFO

971
00:43:10,359 --> 00:43:06,650
of ghosts Lost Worlds cryptozoology

972
00:43:14,130 --> 00:43:10,369
waters as well as other dimensions it's

973
00:43:17,740 --> 00:43:14,140
time to take back the night last night

974
00:43:20,980 --> 00:43:17,750
now your electrifying hosts of exploring

975
00:43:29,410 --> 00:43:20,990
the bizarre Timothy Begley and team

976
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:29,420
sports welcome back to the second hour

977
00:43:33,130 --> 00:43:31,130
of exploring the bizarre interesting

978
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:33,140
conversation taking place during the

979
00:43:37,540 --> 00:43:35,450
break there too you know you know we

980
00:43:41,500 --> 00:43:37,550
want to do like gene Steinberg doesn't

981
00:43:43,500 --> 00:43:41,510
sell the outtakes for a couple of bucks

982
00:43:50,170 --> 00:43:43,510
a week you can that you can get us a

983
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:50,180
talking off the cuff just for an extra

984
00:43:58,240 --> 00:43:54,770
extra $20 a week we do take we do take

985
00:44:04,060 --> 00:43:58,250
donations are the donation button is

986
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:04,070
there the kco our site and we'd be happy

987
00:44:11,020 --> 00:44:08,930
to take your your money and run I'll

988
00:44:13,810 --> 00:44:11,030
tell you more fanciful stories of buck

989
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:13,820
Nelson and even take you if you send it

990
00:44:17,650 --> 00:44:15,410
up we'll take you for a ride on a flying

991
00:44:20,140 --> 00:44:17,660
saucer to Venus how about that I'm

992
00:44:23,950 --> 00:44:20,150
trying to bring you bring your dog there

993
00:44:26,500 --> 00:44:23,960
you go add your cat and anything have

994
00:44:29,170 --> 00:44:26,510
there ever been any other this face

995
00:44:31,780 --> 00:44:29,180
animal well I think that doesn't billy

996
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:31,790
meier claim to have an animal or a dog

997
00:44:36,099 --> 00:44:33,890
or something like that I don't remember

998
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:36,109
if he had a dog or not but I do

999
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:38,450
I mean Billy's ended up taking pictures

1000
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:41,450
of dinosaurs right the source yeah yeah

1001
00:44:47,109 --> 00:44:44,330
yeah and one of Dean Martin's backup

1002
00:44:49,180 --> 00:44:47,119
singers I think I don't know yes it or

1003
00:44:51,730 --> 00:44:49,190
something to you but you know speaking

1004
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:51,740
of animals it was actually because of a

1005
00:44:57,460 --> 00:44:54,170
flying cat or a cat with wings that

1006
00:44:59,170 --> 00:44:57,470
Mothman there came to a light I I don't

1007
00:45:01,990 --> 00:44:59,180
know whether I guess the story would

1008
00:45:04,660 --> 00:45:02,000
have a got some attention but like

1009
00:45:06,490 --> 00:45:04,670
he was down in in West Virginia he wrote

1010
00:45:08,830 --> 00:45:06,500
a syndicated 2 column the title in which

1011
00:45:10,750 --> 00:45:08,840
I don't remember offhand but it appeared

1012
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:10,760
in you know 40 newspapers around the

1013
00:45:16,030 --> 00:45:13,280
country at the time and he went down to

1014
00:45:19,030 --> 00:45:16,040
investigate this story of a cat with

1015
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:19,040
wings that have been found in a tree and

1016
00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:20,930
and then there was somebody else who

1017
00:45:24,850 --> 00:45:22,730
claimed that they owned the cat and the

1018
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:24,860
cat came to New York to him it's it's in

1019
00:45:29,530 --> 00:45:26,810
one of the books it's a kind of a

1020
00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:29,540
convoluted it was a story but Thomas the

1021
00:45:36,430 --> 00:45:34,250
cat I think Thomas account it wasn't for

1022
00:45:39,240 --> 00:45:36,440
Thomas the cat there'd be there'd be no

1023
00:45:42,100 --> 00:45:39,250
Mothman we know there's another weird

1024
00:45:44,830 --> 00:45:42,110
connection I was going through the

1025
00:45:46,900 --> 00:45:44,840
Pennine UFO mystery by Jenny Randall's

1026
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:46,910
and there was a kind of a classic UFO

1027
00:45:52,210 --> 00:45:50,210
abduction the guy's name trying to think

1028
00:45:53,350 --> 00:45:52,220
of his name right now Alan Godfrey

1029
00:45:54,990 --> 00:45:53,360
anyway

1030
00:45:57,340 --> 00:45:55,000
it's classic you know he gets his

1031
00:45:59,740 --> 00:45:57,350
unscheduled medical exam with no

1032
00:46:01,810 --> 00:45:59,750
deductible and no copay and he's got the

1033
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:01,820
little short dudes in there but in one

1034
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:04,970
point he's under hypnosis and he's asked

1035
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:06,170
they're asking him to describe what's

1036
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:08,690
going on inside the room and he pauses

1037
00:46:14,110 --> 00:46:11,570
and he says there's a bloody dog down

1038
00:46:16,090 --> 00:46:14,120
here and he says well I think it's a dog

1039
00:46:18,580 --> 00:46:16,100
it looks horrible but it looks just like

1040
00:46:22,230 --> 00:46:18,590
a dog so there's this black dog you know

1041
00:46:25,090 --> 00:46:22,240
kind of the classic black shuck from

1042
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:25,100
British folklore and these black dogs do

1043
00:46:30,670 --> 00:46:27,410
show up occasionally but it's it's in a

1044
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:30,680
classic UFO a case where you get you

1045
00:46:35,290 --> 00:46:33,770
know two motifs we just I think we just

1046
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:35,300
had him on the program didn't we Tim

1047
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:40,130
yeah a couple months ago oh okay yes

1048
00:46:47,020 --> 00:46:43,610
yeah yeah he found the body of a damn

1049
00:46:49,660 --> 00:46:47,030
ski on top of the coal pile it is all

1050
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:49,670
the same for the plaques not not George

1051
00:47:02,470 --> 00:46:56,810
Adamski but another another guy yes

1052
00:47:04,420 --> 00:47:02,480
that's that's not Alan Godfrey we've had

1053
00:47:06,340 --> 00:47:04,430
some great guests on this part nobody

1054
00:47:08,710 --> 00:47:06,350
has the guest that we have on I mean I

1055
00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:08,720
hate to toot my own horn but I have the

1056
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:10,400
opportunity to listen to some of these

1057
00:47:14,020 --> 00:47:12,170
other programs and they're boring

1058
00:47:15,730 --> 00:47:14,030
most of them most of the guys come on

1059
00:47:17,290 --> 00:47:15,740
and usually they're maybe

1060
00:47:19,950 --> 00:47:17,300
young adults said they sit around

1061
00:47:22,690 --> 00:47:19,960
talking for two hours amongst themselves

1062
00:47:25,750 --> 00:47:22,700
thinking that their it cheerfully funny

1063
00:47:27,490 --> 00:47:25,760
and usually they're they're not and they

1064
00:47:29,620 --> 00:47:27,500
pretend to be high or maybe they're not

1065
00:47:31,810 --> 00:47:29,630
maybe they're not pretending on a high

1066
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:31,820
or drunk or something we come on with a

1067
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:34,130
bit of Han decorum but it's him don't

1068
00:47:41,650 --> 00:47:36,650
you say I mean that's right that's right

1069
00:47:43,210 --> 00:47:41,660
and guaranteed we're not funny oh well I

1070
00:47:47,109 --> 00:47:43,220
thought we were the Abbott and Costello

1071
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:47,119
of the paranormal and more like the Ritz

1072
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:50,330
brothers you know I've actually you know

1073
00:47:56,050 --> 00:47:53,210
what yeah I was gonna say you know what

1074
00:47:58,810 --> 00:47:56,060
I'd be a spirit what's his name Leo

1075
00:48:00,460 --> 00:47:58,820
sprinkle his sons had a comedy UFO

1076
00:48:02,980 --> 00:48:00,470
comedy routine because I remember they

1077
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:02,990
are performed or gave their little

1078
00:48:07,109 --> 00:48:05,210
routine out there in the University of

1079
00:48:09,730 --> 00:48:07,119
Wyoming many years ago when I was there

1080
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:09,740
go on John you trying to say oh I was

1081
00:48:13,090 --> 00:48:10,970
just gonna say I think one of the things

1082
00:48:15,850 --> 00:48:13,100
that's really interesting is that you

1083
00:48:17,710 --> 00:48:15,860
know sure we you know I I think I might

1084
00:48:22,990 --> 00:48:17,720
be the youngest one of this this group

1085
00:48:25,720 --> 00:48:23,000
currently on I'm 47 but it seems like

1086
00:48:29,859 --> 00:48:25,730
now because of the internet you know we

1087
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:29,869
at all at some point in our careers or

1088
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:31,850
lives and doing this weird stuff we all

1089
00:48:36,849 --> 00:48:34,010
went out and looked for monsters and

1090
00:48:39,370 --> 00:48:36,859
UFOs and ghosts and weird stuff and and

1091
00:48:41,830 --> 00:48:39,380
tried to do weird stuff like physically

1092
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:41,840
went out and did it and it seems like

1093
00:48:46,990 --> 00:48:44,690
now there's a generation that the

1094
00:48:49,090 --> 00:48:47,000
majority of people you know they might

1095
00:48:51,340 --> 00:48:49,100
go to a ghost hunt or they might go and

1096
00:48:54,630 --> 00:48:51,350
look for a UFO once but they don't ever

1097
00:48:57,670 --> 00:48:54,640
really get into the mud of it right

1098
00:48:59,260 --> 00:48:57,680
right yeah yeah yeah John did you ever

1099
00:49:00,760 --> 00:48:59,270
go down Jimmu Grove drive down to the

1100
00:49:04,180 --> 00:49:00,770
road to look for the Bigfoot down there

1101
00:49:07,060 --> 00:49:04,190
a buddy of mine I did years ago of

1102
00:49:09,190 --> 00:49:07,070
course go go ahead I was gonna say I did

1103
00:49:11,050 --> 00:49:09,200
a lecture about three or four years ago

1104
00:49:13,150 --> 00:49:11,060
and I talked about the Monroe monster

1105
00:49:15,190 --> 00:49:13,160
the big Bigfoot that supposedly pulled

1106
00:49:18,070 --> 00:49:15,200
Christine van Acker out of her car and

1107
00:49:20,290 --> 00:49:18,080
gave her a black eye and right after I

1108
00:49:22,810 --> 00:49:20,300
finished that lecture this gentleman

1109
00:49:24,310 --> 00:49:22,820
came up to me and he told me he said if

1110
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:24,320
you want to find out about the Monroe

1111
00:49:28,870 --> 00:49:25,970
monster I'll have you talked to my

1112
00:49:31,240 --> 00:49:28,880
brother-in-law he was the Monroe monster

1113
00:49:34,690 --> 00:49:31,250
I had been dating Christine van Acker

1114
00:49:35,980 --> 00:49:34,700
and he was trying to scare and she

1115
00:49:37,870 --> 00:49:35,990
freaked out and he accidentally

1116
00:49:40,690 --> 00:49:37,880
blackened her eye and then he was afraid

1117
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:40,700
to tell anybody that he had done it so

1118
00:49:44,290 --> 00:49:42,530
he went and ran around he was and you

1119
00:49:45,730 --> 00:49:44,300
know that story about the Monroe monster

1120
00:49:49,240 --> 00:49:45,740
was supposedly wearing a woman's fur

1121
00:49:50,740 --> 00:49:49,250
coat yeah and this guy said that's what

1122
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:50,750
exactly what he was doing he was wearing

1123
00:49:56,170 --> 00:49:54,050
a big woman's mink coat and then once he

1124
00:49:57,670 --> 00:49:56,180
got scared and realized oh well maybe I

1125
00:49:59,740 --> 00:49:57,680
can just blame this on a monster he ran

1126
00:50:01,510 --> 00:49:59,750
over he found another car about four or

1127
00:50:03,220 --> 00:50:01,520
five blocks away and jumped in front of

1128
00:50:04,870 --> 00:50:03,230
that so they would see it and then was

1129
00:50:11,910 --> 00:50:04,880
just always afraid to tell anybody about

1130
00:50:15,010 --> 00:50:11,920
it it makes you wonder how many other

1131
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:15,020
situations where you know people have

1132
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:19,610
reported monsters like that have a more

1133
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:23,090
of a mundane explanation but it's like

1134
00:50:26,170 --> 00:50:24,770
again like I said earlier what's

1135
00:50:27,850 --> 00:50:26,180
interesting is you know if you look at

1136
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:27,860
that Monroe monster account there's

1137
00:50:31,450 --> 00:50:29,930
those two reports and then you know a

1138
00:50:33,850 --> 00:50:31,460
thousand people walk through the forest

1139
00:50:36,850 --> 00:50:33,860
trying to find this monster and within a

1140
00:50:38,500 --> 00:50:36,860
few weeks there are more monsters in

1141
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:38,510
Michigan people are starting to see them

1142
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:40,010
you know on the other side near

1143
00:50:44,470 --> 00:50:41,930
Kalamazoo and near the border of

1144
00:50:47,380 --> 00:50:44,480
Michigan and Indiana and you know it's

1145
00:50:48,940 --> 00:50:47,390
if if the first one was just a guy in a

1146
00:50:50,740 --> 00:50:48,950
woman's fur coat

1147
00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:50,750
what were the other six or seven that

1148
00:50:54,820 --> 00:50:52,730
got seen within the next two weeks as

1149
00:50:56,500 --> 00:50:54,830
it's almost as if you know when when we

1150
00:50:58,600 --> 00:50:56,510
talk about strangeness when we talk

1151
00:51:00,490 --> 00:50:58,610
about things like thought-forms and Agri

1152
00:51:02,230 --> 00:51:00,500
gore's like did enough people start

1153
00:51:05,950 --> 00:51:02,240
thinking about it to actually push

1154
00:51:10,750 --> 00:51:05,960
something into reality well that's

1155
00:51:14,710 --> 00:51:10,760
almost like Sheldrake's a morphic field

1156
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:14,720
types of theory you know you get you get

1157
00:51:20,140 --> 00:51:17,210
enough people thinking along those same

1158
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:20,150
lines then it becomes a reality almost

1159
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:24,290
for a while at least yeah go ahead no

1160
00:51:30,700 --> 00:51:27,770
Steve got John keels transmogrification

1161
00:51:32,950 --> 00:51:30,710
of energy we use he use the term altered

1162
00:51:34,510 --> 00:51:32,960
terrestrial as a literary device because

1163
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:34,520
I don't think he really knew what it was

1164
00:51:40,030 --> 00:51:38,090
but his hate believed that the only the

1165
00:51:41,500 --> 00:51:40,040
reality of the UFO were the soft

1166
00:51:42,550 --> 00:51:41,510
sightings the lights the mysterious

1167
00:51:44,770 --> 00:51:42,560
lights

1168
00:51:46,570 --> 00:51:44,780
that the manifestation wasn't important

1169
00:51:48,910 --> 00:51:46,580
it wasn't important if you saw a hairy

1170
00:51:51,490 --> 00:51:48,920
biped walk off into the woods or a giant

1171
00:51:53,350 --> 00:51:51,500
UFO overhead that you know first you'd

1172
00:51:55,060 --> 00:51:53,360
see the flash of light it would be kind

1173
00:51:57,150 --> 00:51:55,070
of a programming kind of a thing and

1174
00:52:00,040 --> 00:51:57,160
then that's why some people would see a

1175
00:52:02,230 --> 00:52:00,050
UFO and somebody's standing right next

1176
00:52:04,450 --> 00:52:02,240
to him wouldn't see it because certain

1177
00:52:06,010 --> 00:52:04,460
people are kind of tuned to this but

1178
00:52:08,740 --> 00:52:06,020
again he cut I love the word

1179
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:08,750
transmogrification but you know a lot of

1180
00:52:12,340 --> 00:52:10,130
times when we talk about things like

1181
00:52:14,860 --> 00:52:12,350
this the way what John just brought up

1182
00:52:17,260 --> 00:52:14,870
it makes me it kind of brings me back to

1183
00:52:18,790 --> 00:52:17,270
Kiel and I wonder if some of this isn't

1184
00:52:21,010 --> 00:52:18,800
true I don't think it explains

1185
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:21,020
everything because it does seem like we

1186
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:23,330
are dealing with some other intelligence

1187
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:26,210
but yeah it's very again the the

1188
00:52:31,570 --> 00:52:29,090
Slenderman stuff that a great friend has

1189
00:52:33,550 --> 00:52:31,580
written about where it seemed to be an

1190
00:52:40,690 --> 00:52:33,560
Internet hoax that has taken on a life

1191
00:52:44,500 --> 00:52:40,700
of its of its own well okay John going

1192
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:44,510
along those lines do you want to tell us

1193
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:50,210
the story about the old man and the elf

1194
00:52:59,470 --> 00:52:56,890
or elves that it's just one yeah that

1195
00:53:04,390 --> 00:52:59,480
you had that you had an experience with

1196
00:53:07,810 --> 00:53:04,400
as well yeah so it was about two years

1197
00:53:09,820 --> 00:53:07,820
ago now gentleman asked me came to one

1198
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:09,830
of my lectures saw me found out about me

1199
00:53:14,410 --> 00:53:12,410
and wanted to know if I wanted to see an

1200
00:53:16,300 --> 00:53:14,420
elf and whenever anybody asks me if I

1201
00:53:18,850 --> 00:53:16,310
want to do something weird if it's safe

1202
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:18,860
then I say yes because I want to

1203
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:20,930
experience the vast weirdness of what

1204
00:53:26,110 --> 00:53:24,170
seems to be reality and so he gave me a

1205
00:53:28,570 --> 00:53:26,120
huge list of things I had to do to

1206
00:53:31,410 --> 00:53:28,580
prepare myself to see this elf or what

1207
00:53:34,420 --> 00:53:31,420
he was calling an elf so I I had to

1208
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:34,430
three times a day for three days I had

1209
00:53:40,450 --> 00:53:38,210
to touch and talk to a nonhuman so like

1210
00:53:43,210 --> 00:53:40,460
a dog or a cat or a bird or some just an

1211
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:43,220
animal of some sort I couldn't part a I

1212
00:53:46,810 --> 00:53:44,690
couldn't eat anything that had any

1213
00:53:48,730 --> 00:53:46,820
animal products in it I had to pay

1214
00:53:50,950 --> 00:53:48,740
attention for three days of every time I

1215
00:53:53,230 --> 00:53:50,960
turned right and at the end of the day I

1216
00:53:55,690 --> 00:53:53,240
would turn three times left for every

1217
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:55,700
time I turned right so it was just all

1218
00:53:58,990 --> 00:53:56,210
of this whee

1219
00:54:00,700 --> 00:53:59,000
stuffy had me do and then he invited me

1220
00:54:04,030 --> 00:54:00,710
up to his home in the thumb area of

1221
00:54:06,310 --> 00:54:04,040
Michigan which backs up to a state

1222
00:54:09,430 --> 00:54:06,320
forest we walked out there in the snow

1223
00:54:11,380 --> 00:54:09,440
it's about 9:30 at night and he has me

1224
00:54:13,150 --> 00:54:11,390
breathing with my mouth open because he

1225
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:13,160
tells me that these things in the forest

1226
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:16,490
itself can can smell that I don't I

1227
00:54:20,410 --> 00:54:17,930
haven't eaten meat and so it won't be

1228
00:54:22,690 --> 00:54:20,420
afraid of me so I'm standing there with

1229
00:54:25,390 --> 00:54:22,700
mouth agay breathing and you know it's

1230
00:54:27,579 --> 00:54:25,400
about -10 degrees outside standing in

1231
00:54:29,230 --> 00:54:27,589
the snow in the dark and I'm pretty sure

1232
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:29,240
at this point in my mind I'm thinking

1233
00:54:32,290 --> 00:54:30,890
someone dressed up as the Keebler Elf is

1234
00:54:33,670 --> 00:54:32,300
gonna jump out of the woods and stab me

1235
00:54:37,359 --> 00:54:33,680
in the chest and that'll be the end of

1236
00:54:39,310 --> 00:54:37,369
John Tenney but instead what happens is

1237
00:54:42,490 --> 00:54:39,320
I start to see what looked like

1238
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:42,500
fireflies except they are pink and blue

1239
00:54:46,540 --> 00:54:44,690
and they don't seem to be lighting and

1240
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:46,550
floating they seem to be popping kind of

1241
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:48,890
in and out in the darkness and I looked

1242
00:54:53,260 --> 00:54:50,570
at em and got kind of nervous and he

1243
00:54:54,820 --> 00:54:53,270
said oh wait it's coming and I had a

1244
00:54:57,849 --> 00:54:54,830
camera I asked if I could take a picture

1245
00:55:01,390 --> 00:54:57,859
and he said yeah you know whatever just

1246
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:01,400
bring it and so he pointed in front of

1247
00:55:04,660 --> 00:55:03,170
me into the darkness and he said it's

1248
00:55:06,339 --> 00:55:04,670
right there in front of you in the

1249
00:55:08,140 --> 00:55:06,349
darkness and so without even putting my

1250
00:55:11,230 --> 00:55:08,150
camera up to my eye just kind of flashed

1251
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:11,240
the bulb on my camera or the the the

1252
00:55:15,849 --> 00:55:12,650
light on my camera and when the flash

1253
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:15,859
went off there was this thing standing

1254
00:55:21,910 --> 00:55:18,290
on a log in front of me that was

1255
00:55:24,359 --> 00:55:21,920
probably 11 to 12 inches tall with there

1256
00:55:28,660 --> 00:55:24,369
it was covered completely in firm had

1257
00:55:32,349 --> 00:55:28,670
hooves had a fat belly little arms big

1258
00:55:34,270 --> 00:55:32,359
floppy ears deep inset eyes a flat nose

1259
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:34,280
that kind of ended in a cat mouth and as

1260
00:55:36,790 --> 00:55:36,050
soon as my flash went off it jumped into

1261
00:55:39,609 --> 00:55:36,800
the darkness

1262
00:55:42,730 --> 00:55:39,619
I ran toward it I saw all these little

1263
00:55:46,630 --> 00:55:42,740
you know hoof prints in the snow but the

1264
00:55:48,910 --> 00:55:46,640
thing had vanished and I thought to

1265
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:48,920
myself you know oh my god I think I just

1266
00:55:55,089 --> 00:55:53,330
saw an elf and and so you know your

1267
00:55:56,650 --> 00:55:55,099
listeners know and you guys know you

1268
00:55:58,630 --> 00:55:56,660
know you do this long enough you always

1269
00:56:01,780 --> 00:55:58,640
think you've seen the weirdest thing and

1270
00:56:03,099 --> 00:56:01,790
then one day the universe says you know

1271
00:56:06,700 --> 00:56:03,109
hold my beer I'm going to show you

1272
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:06,710
something a lot weirder and so if the

1273
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:09,650
story goes far stranger and deeper than

1274
00:56:12,220 --> 00:56:10,160
that event

1275
00:56:14,260 --> 00:56:12,230
it's at my house and I have pictures of

1276
00:56:16,750 --> 00:56:14,270
the hoofprints on my front porch and I

1277
00:56:18,670 --> 00:56:16,760
was on skype with some friends when it

1278
00:56:20,380 --> 00:56:18,680
was kind of attacking the outside of my

1279
00:56:23,020 --> 00:56:20,390
house and banging doors and slamming

1280
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:23,030
windows and I still really don't have

1281
00:56:26,650 --> 00:56:25,010
any idea of what it was but what I do

1282
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:26,660
think was interesting is that the

1283
00:56:30,340 --> 00:56:29,330
gentleman who introduced me to it he

1284
00:56:34,240 --> 00:56:30,350
said that he could speak to it

1285
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:34,250
telepathically and when it spoke to him

1286
00:56:39,940 --> 00:56:36,410
it could only use the words in his mind

1287
00:56:43,270 --> 00:56:39,950
to relay information and when he asked

1288
00:56:45,670 --> 00:56:43,280
it what are you the only word that it

1289
00:56:48,630 --> 00:56:45,680
could find in his mind that it

1290
00:56:54,010 --> 00:56:48,640
represented itself was the word whimsy

1291
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:54,020
hmm and so he calls it an elf but what I

1292
00:56:57,940 --> 00:56:56,450
talked about it with him and two other

1293
00:56:59,830 --> 00:56:57,950
friends of mine when we talk about it at

1294
00:57:01,930 --> 00:56:59,840
a much deeper kind of psychological

1295
00:57:04,420 --> 00:57:01,940
level is that it seems to be this kind

1296
00:57:06,820 --> 00:57:04,430
of representation of that ancient kind

1297
00:57:13,060 --> 00:57:06,830
of trickster god that whimsy that

1298
00:57:16,810 --> 00:57:13,070
permeates our universe very interesting

1299
00:57:20,070 --> 00:57:16,820
so uh did you when you took the picture

1300
00:57:23,110 --> 00:57:20,080
of it did that picture come out or so I

1301
00:57:27,340 --> 00:57:23,120
of course like any good researcher right

1302
00:57:29,470 --> 00:57:27,350
I have now 350 pages into a book which

1303
00:57:31,870 --> 00:57:29,480
has been done and as being proofed and

1304
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:31,880
the photo is in there and I just have to

1305
00:57:34,900 --> 00:57:33,410
figure out a good time to release it

1306
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:34,910
because the publisher I'm working with

1307
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:36,410
originally wanted to release it in

1308
00:57:40,810 --> 00:57:37,970
December and I said are you're gonna

1309
00:57:44,290 --> 00:57:40,820
release a book about an elf before

1310
00:57:46,930 --> 00:57:44,300
Christmas no and I didn't want that to

1311
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:46,940
happen so then the next publishing date

1312
00:57:51,340 --> 00:57:49,250
they give me was about two weeks before

1313
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:51,350
Saint Patrick's Day so I put the squash

1314
00:57:54,190 --> 00:57:53,090
on that because I don't want an elf book

1315
00:57:57,910 --> 00:57:54,200
coming out around the time of

1316
00:58:00,070 --> 00:57:57,920
leprechauns but I mean eventually it

1317
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:00,080
will come out with the entirety of the

1318
00:58:03,580 --> 00:58:01,610
story I mean that I had to put a new

1319
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:03,590
roof on my house this thing actually was

1320
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:05,330
I would wake up in the morning and

1321
00:58:08,500 --> 00:58:07,010
shingles would be on my front and back

1322
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:08,510
lawn because it was trying to get into

1323
00:58:13,210 --> 00:58:10,810
my house it was it's a very bizarre

1324
00:58:19,750 --> 00:58:13,220
which is why I like being on the show

1325
00:58:22,030 --> 00:58:19,760
bizarre story so okay so it followed you

1326
00:58:25,690 --> 00:58:22,040
home basically which is

1327
00:58:27,609 --> 00:58:25,700
and and as you well know since I mean

1328
00:58:29,260 --> 00:58:27,619
you have been on haunting investigations

1329
00:58:31,740 --> 00:58:29,270
you know that's one of the things that

1330
00:58:35,710 --> 00:58:31,750
people are often warned when they go on

1331
00:58:37,420 --> 00:58:35,720
ghost hunts or investigations is to not

1332
00:58:40,270 --> 00:58:37,430
to invite the ghosts to come home with

1333
00:58:42,069 --> 00:58:40,280
you because often times they will yeah

1334
00:58:43,870 --> 00:58:42,079
absolutely and so one of the things I

1335
00:58:46,300 --> 00:58:43,880
had to do was I had to figure okay so

1336
00:58:49,810 --> 00:58:46,310
you know I've I've had to replace my

1337
00:58:53,589 --> 00:58:49,820
roof I've had I had to fix it broke the

1338
00:58:55,030 --> 00:58:53,599
glass out of my front screen door and I

1339
00:58:56,410 --> 00:58:55,040
thought to myself well what can I talk

1340
00:58:58,839 --> 00:58:56,420
to a bunch of friends of mine who are

1341
00:59:01,720 --> 00:58:58,849
all very familiar with all types of high

1342
00:59:04,810 --> 00:59:01,730
strangeness and one of them her name's

1343
00:59:06,579 --> 00:59:04,820
Dana her and her husband Greg run a

1344
00:59:08,109 --> 00:59:06,589
traveling museum of the paranormal in

1345
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:08,119
the occult and Dana said you know what

1346
00:59:14,079 --> 00:59:10,250
you have to do you have to just invite

1347
00:59:15,940 --> 00:59:14,089
it into your house and give it a where

1348
00:59:17,589 --> 00:59:15,950
it can stay give it just a space and

1349
00:59:19,930 --> 00:59:17,599
it'll be happy that it's in your house

1350
00:59:23,170 --> 00:59:19,940
so I went through this whole kind of I

1351
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:23,180
made myself a ritual to do and I opened

1352
00:59:26,500 --> 00:59:25,250
up the door and I'm you know said to the

1353
00:59:27,579 --> 00:59:26,510
universe you know you can come in the

1354
00:59:29,620 --> 00:59:27,589
house but you have to stay in this

1355
00:59:32,950 --> 00:59:29,630
corner and I kind of gave this

1356
00:59:35,559 --> 00:59:32,960
traditional kind of fairy elf offering

1357
00:59:36,849 --> 00:59:35,569
of a bowl of milk and oatmeal and said

1358
00:59:38,470 --> 00:59:36,859
you know this is your corner you can

1359
00:59:40,089 --> 00:59:38,480
stay there and as soon as I did that all

1360
00:59:42,370 --> 00:59:40,099
of these events that were happening

1361
00:59:45,099 --> 00:59:42,380
around my house just ceased to happen

1362
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:45,109
but the entire time that it was

1363
00:59:52,180 --> 00:59:49,210
quote-unquote living here I was immersed

1364
00:59:56,530 --> 00:59:52,190
buried and drowning in synchronicities

1365
00:59:59,230 --> 00:59:56,540
mmm you're a braver man that I would I

1366
01:00:01,510 --> 00:59:59,240
never would have invited it I never

1367
01:00:02,859 --> 01:00:01,520
would not know you know leaving the you

1368
01:00:05,020 --> 01:00:02,869
know like the bowl of milk or some

1369
01:00:07,660 --> 01:00:05,030
porridge out on the doorstep for it that

1370
01:00:09,579 --> 01:00:07,670
you know I've done I'd be willing to do

1371
01:00:13,450 --> 01:00:09,589
that but actually to invite it into my

1372
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:13,460
home I'm not sure can I just add a

1373
01:00:17,740 --> 01:00:15,410
little bit to that I think it was last

1374
01:00:19,329 --> 01:00:17,750
year at the Michigan paragon when John

1375
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:19,339
Kennedy was up on stage telling this

1376
01:00:22,540 --> 01:00:22,010
very story my wife who is a bit

1377
01:00:25,180 --> 01:00:22,550
sensitive

1378
01:00:27,849 --> 01:00:25,190
said she saw you know how you got the

1379
01:00:29,740 --> 01:00:27,859
the the drapes the curtain behind you

1380
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:29,750
and at the very top you have that kind

1381
01:00:35,470 --> 01:00:32,930
of decorative piece at the top well she

1382
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:35,480
saw saw what she thought was kind of a

1383
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:35,690
little

1384
01:00:40,540 --> 01:00:37,970
bump moving along the very top of that

1385
01:00:43,870 --> 01:00:40,550
very slowly while John is telling his

1386
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:43,880
story and what's also strange what's

1387
01:00:47,319 --> 01:00:45,050
also strange about that Steve is that

1388
01:00:48,700 --> 01:00:47,329
that Saint with at that Paracon that

1389
01:00:51,250 --> 01:00:48,710
you're talking about there are a number

1390
01:00:54,370 --> 01:00:51,260
of pictures of me doing that lecture on

1391
01:00:58,089 --> 01:00:54,380
stage and there are very odd lens flares

1392
01:01:00,370 --> 01:00:58,099
all very low near my knees in almost

1393
01:01:04,150 --> 01:01:00,380
every picture of me at that event I'm

1394
01:01:11,349 --> 01:01:06,790
so now while all this was going on with

1395
01:01:14,620 --> 01:01:11,359
you John did you happen to have any UFO

1396
01:01:15,490 --> 01:01:14,630
sightings I didn't have any UFO

1397
01:01:17,589 --> 01:01:15,500
sightings but like I said the

1398
01:01:23,140 --> 01:01:17,599
synchronicities were extremely weird so

1399
01:01:24,609 --> 01:01:23,150
you know the about a week later I I was

1400
01:01:25,809 --> 01:01:24,619
going to an event and I pulled up in a

1401
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:25,819
parking lot and there was no place to

1402
01:01:29,349 --> 01:01:27,770
park and I was getting frustrated and so

1403
01:01:31,150 --> 01:01:29,359
I kind of said like I just need a place

1404
01:01:33,609 --> 01:01:31,160
to park I put that kind of intention out

1405
01:01:35,559 --> 01:01:33,619
there and so as soon as I had put that

1406
01:01:37,180 --> 01:01:35,569
intention out a car backed out and I was

1407
01:01:39,490 --> 01:01:37,190
like good so I pulled in I parked and

1408
01:01:41,020 --> 01:01:39,500
then the car next to me backed out and

1409
01:01:42,370 --> 01:01:41,030
then there was another parking space and

1410
01:01:44,079 --> 01:01:42,380
then there was another parking space

1411
01:01:46,630 --> 01:01:44,089
another like four parking spaces and

1412
01:01:49,510 --> 01:01:46,640
then a giant truck came and pulled up in

1413
01:01:52,260 --> 01:01:49,520
those four empty parking spaces and it

1414
01:01:54,579 --> 01:01:52,270
was for Ed's lumber and furniture and

1415
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:54,589
the reason I remember the name is

1416
01:01:59,050 --> 01:01:57,050
because it was abbreviated on the back

1417
01:02:01,780 --> 01:01:59,060
of the truck and so I looked over and

1418
01:02:04,630 --> 01:02:01,790
the back of this truck says Elf on it in

1419
01:02:05,950 --> 01:02:04,640
huge letters when everything okay I get

1420
01:02:07,300 --> 01:02:05,960
it you're the one yeah I get it you're

1421
01:02:13,349 --> 01:02:07,310
the one who gave me the parking spots

1422
01:02:15,730 --> 01:02:13,359
Thanks so I got one up on that story

1423
01:02:20,710 --> 01:02:15,740
back a couple of years ago I was

1424
01:02:23,819 --> 01:02:20,720
visiting with a friend of mine in Tucson

1425
01:02:27,579 --> 01:02:23,829
by name Alan Benz who used to be the

1426
01:02:29,530 --> 01:02:27,589
librarian for the old area phenomenal

1427
01:02:34,030 --> 01:02:29,540
research organization you know the group

1428
01:02:37,420 --> 01:02:34,040
a pro run by Jim and Cora Lorenzen and

1429
01:02:38,319 --> 01:02:37,430
we spent the like a Friday afternoon

1430
01:02:44,130 --> 01:02:38,329
into the evening

1431
01:02:49,420 --> 01:02:44,140
discussing the history of a pro and how

1432
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:49,430
mr. Benz had been involved in the

1433
01:02:56,110 --> 01:02:52,250
the opening of the clothes counters

1434
01:02:58,090 --> 01:02:56,120
movie he had been called by the oh the

1435
01:02:59,980 --> 01:02:58,100
production company to give them some

1436
01:03:01,930 --> 01:02:59,990
information in case histories and so for

1437
01:03:05,410 --> 01:03:01,940
the song so I was very pleased with my

1438
01:03:09,910 --> 01:03:05,420
interview and then I got it into my

1439
01:03:12,550 --> 01:03:09,920
friends vehicle Charla Evelyn's there in

1440
01:03:14,350 --> 01:03:12,560
Tucson and we drove down to Sedona now

1441
01:03:16,060 --> 01:03:14,360
we didn't even tell anybody where we

1442
01:03:21,250 --> 01:03:16,070
were going

1443
01:03:24,250 --> 01:03:21,260
well we pulled into the coffee pot which

1444
01:03:26,770 --> 01:03:24,260
is a very famous a place where everybody

1445
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:26,780
stops and has coffee and you can choose

1446
01:03:32,350 --> 01:03:29,330
from a hundred and three different kinds

1447
01:03:33,820 --> 01:03:32,360
of omelets which which is a lot of

1448
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:33,830
omelets I mean when you get down to the

1449
01:03:37,780 --> 01:03:35,810
bottom when you get down to the bottom

1450
01:03:42,670 --> 01:03:37,790
of the menu it's like pineapple and

1451
01:03:44,110 --> 01:03:42,680
peanut butter and now some people some

1452
01:03:46,390 --> 01:03:44,120
people most like it or and wouldn't be

1453
01:03:48,190 --> 01:03:46,400
on the menu you know anyway so we eat

1454
01:03:50,410 --> 01:03:48,200
and we have our brunch and a Bloody Mary

1455
01:03:53,650 --> 01:03:50,420
and all and we walk out into the parking

1456
01:03:57,220 --> 01:03:53,660
lot and we go to get into my friends

1457
01:04:00,400 --> 01:03:57,230
vehicle and parked in the parking lot

1458
01:04:18,750 --> 01:04:00,410
right next to us is a car and the

1459
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:23,500
2014 2

1460
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:24,910
look on the internet there's a

1461
01:04:30,100 --> 01:04:27,410
photograph of us pointing to the to the

1462
01:04:32,950 --> 01:04:30,110
license plate yeah I mean how is that

1463
01:04:35,710 --> 01:04:32,960
well you know I did a whole 450 page

1464
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:35,720
book on synchronicities the stuff that

1465
01:04:42,580 --> 01:04:39,410
happens to me is so wild that it's got

1466
01:04:44,710 --> 01:04:42,590
to be pre-programmed man I I do believe

1467
01:04:48,310 --> 01:04:44,720
like philip k dick that we are living in

1468
01:04:51,550 --> 01:04:48,320
a computerized sync

1469
01:04:53,500 --> 01:04:51,560
matrix i mean it way as somebody like it

1470
01:04:55,270 --> 01:04:53,510
Charles Ford I mean and John keel

1471
01:04:57,910 --> 01:04:55,280
believed us I guess to some degree that

1472
01:05:00,310 --> 01:04:57,920
were pieces on a chessboard you know and

1473
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:00,320
somebody is moving this around now the

1474
01:05:05,620 --> 01:05:03,170
question is are they moving this around

1475
01:05:08,710 --> 01:05:05,630
deliberately and the pre ordaining our

1476
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:08,720
destiny or is it just a random you know

1477
01:05:14,710 --> 01:05:12,890
sampling I I kind of think that perhaps

1478
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:14,720
they they came here you know like

1479
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:17,090
millions of years ago implanted the

1480
01:05:20,860 --> 01:05:19,010
computers or something in the earth or

1481
01:05:22,810 --> 01:05:20,870
maybe on the moon's surface or something

1482
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:22,820
and then maybe they check back every

1483
01:05:28,990 --> 01:05:25,370
hundred thousand years and everything is

1484
01:05:31,930 --> 01:05:29,000
on automatic pilot so what happens you

1485
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:31,940
know let me tie in synchronicities with

1486
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:33,770
your synchronicity with my synchronous

1487
01:05:39,970 --> 01:05:36,290
haha which is I was I was looking while

1488
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:39,980
you were talking and the day after I

1489
01:05:48,850 --> 01:05:43,210
confirmed doing this radio show I

1490
01:05:53,580 --> 01:05:48,860
uploaded to my website every single

1491
01:05:57,340 --> 01:05:53,590
opera bulletin so that people will know

1492
01:06:01,090 --> 01:05:57,350
yeah yeah a good we quote from that

1493
01:06:03,100 --> 01:06:01,100
quite a bit in fact we have the book

1494
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:03,110
that we just came out with called the

1495
01:06:08,230 --> 01:06:05,330
I'm semi-retired I only do three or four

1496
01:06:11,350 --> 01:06:08,240
new books a month but yeah we have a UFO

1497
01:06:14,620 --> 01:06:11,360
UFO hostilities and there's some quite

1498
01:06:18,340 --> 01:06:14,630
really good cases there that afros South

1499
01:06:21,010 --> 01:06:18,350
American representative dr. Fontes was

1500
01:06:22,420 --> 01:06:21,020
involved in investigating all right we

1501
01:06:24,460 --> 01:06:22,430
need to go to our break here Tim so

1502
01:06:27,070 --> 01:06:24,470
we'll be right back with more exploring

1503
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:27,080
observe now back to exploring the

1504
01:06:32,210 --> 01:06:29,690
bizarre with two of the most

1505
01:06:35,290 --> 01:06:32,220
electrifying researchers in the paranoid

1506
01:06:40,790 --> 01:06:35,300
your hosts Timothy Becca Lee panting

1507
01:06:43,609 --> 01:06:40,800
sports now alright welcome back to the

1508
01:06:47,630 --> 01:06:43,619
final segment of exploring the bizarre

1509
01:06:49,550 --> 01:06:47,640
Tam it just seems like that we have so

1510
01:06:52,670 --> 01:06:49,560
much fun doing this show and then all of

1511
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:52,680
a sudden here we are in the last less

1512
01:06:56,990 --> 01:06:54,330
than thirty minutes of the program you

1513
01:07:01,880 --> 01:06:57,000
know if we got donations we might do it

1514
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:01,890
every night I don't know if my wife

1515
01:07:09,109 --> 01:07:07,410
would like that you need to be like you

1516
01:07:13,700 --> 01:07:09,119
know coast to coast or something we have

1517
01:07:16,580 --> 01:07:13,710
three producers you know that's you know

1518
01:07:18,980 --> 01:07:16,590
you need you need an office staff there

1519
01:07:21,109 --> 01:07:18,990
you go yeah and we're the office staff

1520
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:21,119
yeah Thursday we weren't were our own

1521
01:07:28,460 --> 01:07:25,770
office staff so do push that donation

1522
01:07:33,710 --> 01:07:28,470
button there you know repeatedly push it

1523
01:07:37,010 --> 01:07:33,720
repeatedly time and day all right go

1524
01:07:38,780 --> 01:07:37,020
ahead yeah okay John Steve now you

1525
01:07:41,950 --> 01:07:38,790
mentioned during the break that you're

1526
01:07:44,410 --> 01:07:41,960
both going to be at an upcoming

1527
01:07:46,970 --> 01:07:44,420
conference you say in Michigan

1528
01:07:49,490 --> 01:07:46,980
yeah it's Steve okay

1529
01:07:50,780 --> 01:07:49,500
Houghton Lake Michigan I guess Houghton

1530
01:07:52,010 --> 01:07:50,790
lakes what about two-thirds of the way

1531
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:52,020
up and they Lower Peninsula

1532
01:07:56,300 --> 01:07:55,170
you're a beautiful resort area and we're

1533
01:08:00,890 --> 01:07:56,310
gonna be staying at the hotel lake

1534
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:00,900
resort and great list of speakers let's

1535
01:08:03,470 --> 01:08:02,970
say Nick Redfern you've heard of him

1536
01:08:06,260 --> 01:08:03,480
before

1537
01:08:08,270 --> 01:08:06,270
and of course John tinny and I Andrea

1538
01:08:10,370 --> 01:08:08,280
pair on right in who said I think a good

1539
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:10,380
friend of John's you don't want to say

1540
01:08:14,599 --> 01:08:11,970
more about me she was one of the

1541
01:08:15,980 --> 01:08:14,609
daughters from the original the

1542
01:08:18,709 --> 01:08:15,990
conjuring she was one of the daughters

1543
01:08:21,550 --> 01:08:18,719
that lived in that house that the movie

1544
01:08:23,870 --> 01:08:21,560
was based on and a great lady I've seen

1545
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:23,880
Andrea was with you a couple years ago

1546
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:26,250
you're speaking right yeah yeah and

1547
01:08:30,410 --> 01:08:28,410
those guys those guys are great together

1548
01:08:32,900 --> 01:08:30,420
bill Cahn cholesky who I think's been on

1549
01:08:35,059 --> 01:08:32,910
your show Tim and Tim the he's the head

1550
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:35,069
of Michigan MUFON another great guy I

1551
01:08:38,599 --> 01:08:36,810
attend the Michigan you find meetings

1552
01:08:41,539 --> 01:08:38,609
when I can

1553
01:08:44,749 --> 01:08:41,549
Erica Luke's another grant UFO

1554
01:08:45,849 --> 01:08:44,759
researcher and podcaster and I think I

1555
01:08:48,490 --> 01:08:45,859
caught everybody

1556
01:08:53,859 --> 01:08:48,500
everybody John I bet you you nailed them

1557
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:53,869
all okay so and deb and rj jerusalem

1558
01:08:58,450 --> 01:08:55,810
pronounce her last name correctly i hope

1559
01:09:00,820 --> 01:08:58,460
they're a great couple i got to meet

1560
01:09:03,370 --> 01:09:00,830
them at the michigan Paracon and this is

1561
01:09:04,660 --> 01:09:03,380
the they wanted to put this together in

1562
01:09:07,209 --> 01:09:04,670
michigan because it really hasn't been

1563
01:09:09,820 --> 01:09:07,219
much in the way of UFO conferences in in

1564
01:09:12,039 --> 01:09:09,830
michigan and so i'm really looking

1565
01:09:15,099 --> 01:09:12,049
forward to it it's going to be great to

1566
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:15,109
be on on stage with some really great

1567
01:09:20,829 --> 01:09:17,690
people so yeah if it's on the september

1568
01:09:22,209 --> 01:09:20,839
22nd yes september 22nd and if you

1569
01:09:29,499 --> 01:09:22,219
bought your ticket early you can come

1570
01:09:30,820 --> 01:09:29,509
and see the celebrities that's funny I'm

1571
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:30,830
gonna try and act like a celebrity on

1572
01:09:44,950 --> 01:09:39,189
Steve what are the last times that we

1573
01:09:49,410 --> 01:09:44,960
had you on our show was before all of

1574
01:09:53,169 --> 01:09:49,420
the activity started in Chicago with the

1575
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:53,179
you know people seen you know wing to

1576
01:09:58,209 --> 01:09:56,090
wing weirdos and have you have you been

1577
01:10:01,000 --> 01:09:58,219
following that Eddie I mean later on you

1578
01:10:02,830 --> 01:10:01,010
know Chicago is not that far I've just

1579
01:10:05,500 --> 01:10:02,840
been a lot of controversy on it and I

1580
01:10:08,109 --> 01:10:05,510
haven't been following it too much this

1581
01:10:10,750 --> 01:10:08,119
Allisyn Jorn Lande and actually kim

1582
01:10:13,930 --> 01:10:10,760
poppy especially Allison they've gone to

1583
01:10:16,090 --> 01:10:13,940
a lot of the I think that went to every

1584
01:10:17,979 --> 01:10:16,100
single site where these things are

1585
01:10:20,109 --> 01:10:17,989
supposed to have taken place a lot of

1586
01:10:22,270 --> 01:10:20,119
these reports are anonymous so you can't

1587
01:10:23,979 --> 01:10:22,280
really get to the the person that

1588
01:10:27,729 --> 01:10:23,989
reported it to you know ask more

1589
01:10:29,919 --> 01:10:27,739
questions but it seems to be from what I

1590
01:10:33,129 --> 01:10:29,929
can tell kind of a mixed bag there are

1591
01:10:36,390 --> 01:10:33,139
some events that seem like they are

1592
01:10:38,770 --> 01:10:36,400
legitimate there are others where when

1593
01:10:40,870 --> 01:10:38,780
Allison's gone there and they look at

1594
01:10:41,919 --> 01:10:40,880
the way the report went down and there

1595
01:10:43,450 --> 01:10:41,929
you know looking at the what the weather

1596
01:10:45,580 --> 01:10:43,460
conditions were supposed to be and just

1597
01:10:50,709 --> 01:10:45,590
the logistics they're not always working

1598
01:10:54,129 --> 01:10:50,719
out you know so now I also heard a rumor

1599
01:10:56,859 --> 01:10:54,139
that some of the original reports that

1600
01:10:59,210 --> 01:10:56,869
came into the police station were via

1601
01:11:01,370 --> 01:10:59,220
the via email

1602
01:11:03,710 --> 01:11:01,380
and came from the same ip address like

1603
01:11:05,090 --> 01:11:03,720
supposedly different sightings now I

1604
01:11:07,430 --> 01:11:05,100
don't know if that's true or not but

1605
01:11:09,890 --> 01:11:07,440
what I wonder is if the same things

1606
01:11:12,140 --> 01:11:09,900
repeating even if some of these were

1607
01:11:13,850 --> 01:11:12,150
hoaxes I'm wondering if something was

1608
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:13,860
triggered and some of these things are

1609
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:16,770
actually at least apparitions or some

1610
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:20,010
kind of temporal expression or

1611
01:11:24,380 --> 01:11:22,650
manifestation of these things so I'm not

1612
01:11:27,710 --> 01:11:24,390
the expert on it but I intend to

1613
01:11:30,710 --> 01:11:27,720
actually I'll be with Allison at the at

1614
01:11:32,300 --> 01:11:30,720
the Mothman festival and she's also

1615
01:11:34,670 --> 01:11:32,310
going to be speaking at the van Meter

1616
01:11:37,370 --> 01:11:34,680
visitors festival so I'm running with

1617
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:37,380
some pretty interesting people over and

1618
01:11:41,570 --> 01:11:38,850
over again at some of these conferences

1619
01:11:43,340 --> 01:11:41,580
so she would actually be a great person

1620
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:43,350
to have on the show to talk about that

1621
01:11:49,700 --> 01:11:46,010
oh definitely definitely you'll need to

1622
01:11:51,290 --> 01:11:49,710
send me information about her I'll do

1623
01:11:53,510 --> 01:11:51,300
that for the the van meter guys too

1624
01:11:56,090 --> 01:11:53,520
because there's really excellent

1625
01:12:00,560 --> 01:11:56,100
researchers well what do you think it is

1626
01:12:03,410 --> 01:12:00,570
okay throughout it seems like you know

1627
01:12:07,190 --> 01:12:03,420
the the history of the weird you know we

1628
01:12:10,670 --> 01:12:07,200
have this kind of a continuation almost

1629
01:12:15,710 --> 01:12:10,680
of people seen these these really

1630
01:12:17,510 --> 01:12:15,720
bizarre a winged creatures so I mean

1631
01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:17,520
yeah what's what's going on with that

1632
01:12:24,440 --> 01:12:22,370
you know tell me give you a good

1633
01:12:35,540 --> 01:12:24,450
definitive explanation of what's going

1634
01:12:37,820 --> 01:12:35,550
on we saved the hard stuff for the end

1635
01:12:39,470 --> 01:12:37,830
the last thing I was just looking today

1636
01:12:42,170 --> 01:12:39,480
at a book at folkloric in the West

1637
01:12:44,300 --> 01:12:42,180
Virginia area there was another rash of

1638
01:12:46,910 --> 01:12:44,310
sightings right around World War one

1639
01:12:48,740 --> 01:12:46,920
where they were seeing these large

1640
01:12:50,390 --> 01:12:48,750
winged creatures with about a 10 or 12

1641
01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:50,400
foot wingspan that appeared to have

1642
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:52,730
human heads and supposedly they were

1643
01:12:55,850 --> 01:12:54,570
people were keeping their children

1644
01:12:58,250 --> 01:12:55,860
indoors because they were afraid of

1645
01:13:00,140 --> 01:12:58,260
these things and it was right along the

1646
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:00,150
Kanawha River which empties into the

1647
01:13:04,250 --> 01:13:02,610
Ohio that's the you know the confluence

1648
01:13:06,500 --> 01:13:04,260
of the two rivers and I remember

1649
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:06,510
remember Mary hyre who allied herself

1650
01:13:10,970 --> 01:13:08,850
with John keel the reporter the beloved

1651
01:13:12,860 --> 01:13:10,980
reporter in the area wrote that column

1652
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:12,870
where the waters mingle all this

1653
01:13:16,730 --> 01:13:15,210
comes together and sometimes it seems to

1654
01:13:19,850 --> 01:13:16,740
be connected with you know the

1655
01:13:20,750 --> 01:13:19,860
confluence of rivers when it you know

1656
01:13:23,090 --> 01:13:20,760
there's there's so many of these things

1657
01:13:25,010 --> 01:13:23,100
the thing is when I get a little bit I

1658
01:13:26,570 --> 01:13:25,020
don't know if it's when people say off

1659
01:13:28,730 --> 01:13:26,580
the mothman in Chicago or whatever

1660
01:13:30,770 --> 01:13:28,740
they're not all the same whatever's

1661
01:13:32,830 --> 01:13:30,780
going on the these manifestations or

1662
01:13:35,150 --> 01:13:32,840
apparitions or whatever they're not

1663
01:13:37,490 --> 01:13:35,160
identical to what the Mothman was

1664
01:13:39,410 --> 01:13:37,500
although even even there in the Mothman

1665
01:13:41,090 --> 01:13:39,420
era there were some different reports

1666
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:41,100
that didn't quite mesh up although about

1667
01:13:45,610 --> 01:13:44,010
a hundred of them did okay it's easier

1668
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:45,620
for me to tell you what the Mothman

1669
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:48,090
probably wasn't than what he actually

1670
01:13:52,430 --> 01:13:50,970
was and it gets really confusing but you

1671
01:13:54,980 --> 01:13:52,440
know when you would go back to the

1672
01:13:57,860 --> 01:13:54,990
original reports about seven foot tall

1673
01:14:00,410 --> 01:13:57,870
ten-foot wingspan the biology doesn't

1674
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:00,420
work out probably the wingspan isn't big

1675
01:14:05,210 --> 01:14:02,970
enough to lift something that big the

1676
01:14:06,830 --> 01:14:05,220
wings didn't always flap sometimes they

1677
01:14:09,380 --> 01:14:06,840
would open up this thing would take off

1678
01:14:11,480 --> 01:14:09,390
straight up like a helicopter the the I

1679
01:14:14,230 --> 01:14:11,490
glow was an eye glow it seemed like it

1680
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:14,240
was actually generating these red eyes

1681
01:14:20,990 --> 01:14:17,810
some people got a real close look at it

1682
01:14:24,140 --> 01:14:21,000
due to really throw a wrench in it I

1683
01:14:26,270 --> 01:14:24,150
think it was a mrs. Thomas in the TNT

1684
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:26,280
area one of the last sightings saw this

1685
01:14:31,250 --> 01:14:29,010
thing this big tall grey thing walking

1686
01:14:33,980 --> 01:14:31,260
through the TNT area and it was walking

1687
01:14:36,550 --> 01:14:33,990
very fast almost like a robot I listened

1688
01:14:40,430 --> 01:14:36,560
to one of these these obscure John keel

1689
01:14:43,070 --> 01:14:40,440
lectures on audible on an audible clip

1690
01:14:46,820 --> 01:14:43,080
where some of the early reports he got

1691
01:14:48,740 --> 01:14:46,830
people that it got close to this could

1692
01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:48,750
hear some kind of a humming noise or

1693
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:51,090
something like an engine and so you get

1694
01:14:54,980 --> 01:14:53,010
all this contradictory stuff I've spoken

1695
01:14:55,660 --> 01:14:54,990
to about six or seven of the original

1696
01:14:58,190 --> 01:14:55,670
witnesses

1697
01:15:00,980 --> 01:14:58,200
one lady firmly believes it's a

1698
01:15:02,420 --> 01:15:00,990
manifestation of evil it did manifested

1699
01:15:07,190 --> 01:15:02,430
in their bedroom the same time that all

1700
01:15:10,130 --> 01:15:07,200
this took place it was a let's say I

1701
01:15:11,660 --> 01:15:10,140
talked to Tom Yuri who actually saw more

1702
01:15:12,260 --> 01:15:11,670
like a Thunderbird he did not see the

1703
01:15:14,330 --> 01:15:12,270
Mothman

1704
01:15:17,300 --> 01:15:14,340
in fact he thought that these other

1705
01:15:19,550 --> 01:15:17,310
witnesses like Linda Scarberry and so

1706
01:15:22,310 --> 01:15:19,560
forth he thought that they were seeing

1707
01:15:24,230 --> 01:15:22,320
the same thing he did but what happened

1708
01:15:26,450 --> 01:15:24,240
was when they were doing the movie the

1709
01:15:29,690 --> 01:15:26,460
film in 2002 they Tom

1710
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:29,700
hurry and some of them went to the some

1711
01:15:33,860 --> 01:15:32,010
kind of filming some kind of special

1712
01:15:35,300 --> 01:15:33,870
that we're filming there and he asked

1713
01:15:37,130 --> 01:15:35,310
Marcela Bennett Marcela Bennett's the

1714
01:15:39,620 --> 01:15:37,140
one where she went out in the TNT area

1715
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:39,630
and this thing she was holding her

1716
01:15:44,150 --> 01:15:41,730
infant child and this thing rose up from

1717
01:15:46,610 --> 01:15:44,160
the ground this big grey thing and she

1718
01:15:50,390 --> 01:15:46,620
was so flustered she actually fell on

1719
01:15:52,430 --> 01:15:50,400
her her baby baby was okay but she was

1720
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:52,440
just terrified they ran in the house and

1721
01:15:57,470 --> 01:15:53,850
this thing walked back and forth on the

1722
01:15:59,690 --> 01:15:57,480
porch so Tom Yuri said okay you tell me

1723
01:16:02,180 --> 01:15:59,700
your story I'll tell you mine so he then

1724
01:16:03,620 --> 01:16:02,190
Tom Yuri told me he said you know we

1725
01:16:05,330 --> 01:16:03,630
must have seen different things he at

1726
01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:05,340
first he thought people saw what he did

1727
01:16:10,729 --> 01:16:07,890
but they imagined something much much

1728
01:16:12,590 --> 01:16:10,739
worse or something you know much

1729
01:16:15,229 --> 01:16:12,600
different than they actually saw because

1730
01:16:17,959 --> 01:16:15,239
it was so frightening so that didn't

1731
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:17,969
answer your question I thought people

1732
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:19,650
thought people would say well it was

1733
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:22,410
some kind of mutation because of the the

1734
01:16:26,750 --> 01:16:25,170
TNT area was such a polluted area at one

1735
01:16:29,540 --> 01:16:26,760
time well I think that only happens in

1736
01:16:33,979 --> 01:16:29,550
in 1950s Roger Corman movies I don't

1737
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:33,989
think that would happen there's uh it

1738
01:16:37,940 --> 01:16:35,850
was it acted more in some ways like an

1739
01:16:40,330 --> 01:16:37,950
apparition but in other ways

1740
01:16:42,770 --> 01:16:40,340
you know qu'il found strange footprints

1741
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:42,780
by the old power plant you know what

1742
01:16:46,700 --> 01:16:44,730
else he found you know the stories about

1743
01:16:48,440 --> 01:16:46,710
the dog man this upper I Canada he

1744
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:48,450
ground his large large dog like

1745
01:16:53,780 --> 01:16:51,330
footprints and he consulted with Ivan

1746
01:16:55,010 --> 01:16:53,790
Sanderson Ivan Sanderson said yeah these

1747
01:16:57,530 --> 01:16:55,020
things keep showing up in these

1748
01:16:59,780 --> 01:16:57,540
paranormal hotspots Linda Godfrey says

1749
01:17:01,670 --> 01:16:59,790
the same thing and I talked to dr. Chuck

1750
01:17:03,500 --> 01:17:01,680
Lee saw a Michigan new fan who's been

1751
01:17:05,870 --> 01:17:03,510
studying Bigfoot and UFOs in Michigan

1752
01:17:08,270 --> 01:17:05,880
and he said the same thing you have for

1753
01:17:10,610 --> 01:17:08,280
researchers separated by half a century

1754
01:17:12,260 --> 01:17:10,620
all telling us that these large dog like

1755
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:12,270
footprints are showing up in these

1756
01:17:15,440 --> 01:17:14,370
paranormal hotspots what does that tell

1757
01:17:19,970 --> 01:17:15,450
us about the dog man

1758
01:17:22,610 --> 01:17:19,980
so I just don't know I don't know what

1759
01:17:24,620 --> 01:17:22,620
it was but hunt you know over a hundred

1760
01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:24,630
people initially saw this thing other

1761
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:27,090
people came forward there was definitely

1762
01:17:33,860 --> 01:17:28,890
something going on but you wonder how

1763
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:33,870
you know just how physical it if there

1764
01:17:37,729 --> 01:17:35,850
was a third party looking at some of

1765
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:37,739
these incidents from a distance what

1766
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:39,570
they have seen the same thing or where

1767
01:17:44,630 --> 01:17:41,330
they have seen anything

1768
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:44,640
well it is almost like these these you

1769
01:17:49,610 --> 01:17:47,010
know winged creatures are you know

1770
01:17:52,850 --> 01:17:49,620
they're like an archetype almost you

1771
01:17:55,270 --> 01:17:52,860
know some somewhere deep buried deeply

1772
01:17:57,979 --> 01:17:55,280
buried within our you know collective

1773
01:18:03,100 --> 01:17:57,989
consciousness and that for whatever

1774
01:18:06,620 --> 01:18:03,110
reason whatever reason they take flight

1775
01:18:09,020 --> 01:18:06,630
well you know they have the Wisconsin

1776
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:09,030
man bat you had that one that looked a

1777
01:18:13,130 --> 01:18:10,890
lot like the Mothman in Kent England

1778
01:18:15,500 --> 01:18:13,140
almost exactly three years before the

1779
01:18:17,420 --> 01:18:15,510
Mothman these kids saw some kind of a

1780
01:18:19,310 --> 01:18:17,430
craft land and this thing got out kind

1781
01:18:21,979 --> 01:18:19,320
of shuffling with wings and seemed to be

1782
01:18:26,300 --> 01:18:21,989
kind of headless you have the owl man of

1783
01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:26,310
Cornwall yeah what you wonder I wonder

1784
01:18:30,350 --> 01:18:28,050
if Mothman might have been a harbinger

1785
01:18:32,060 --> 01:18:30,360
you know neither good nor evil but but

1786
01:18:33,890 --> 01:18:32,070
something that bubbles up in human

1787
01:18:38,780 --> 01:18:33,900
consciousness when there's a disaster to

1788
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:38,790
come I really don't know but it's it's

1789
01:18:44,410 --> 01:18:40,530
really fascinating to hear the people

1790
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:44,420
that saw this thing tell their story

1791
01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:48,570
well and John now you know earlier you

1792
01:18:57,939 --> 01:18:52,170
had talked about how you know things

1793
01:19:00,410 --> 01:18:57,949
like this trying to trying to think of a

1794
01:19:04,040 --> 01:19:00,420
proper way to put it well I hate all

1795
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:04,050
these it's kinda like what what what

1796
01:19:16,630 --> 01:19:10,050
Steve was saying there is that they they

1797
01:19:19,910 --> 01:19:16,640
seem to transmogrify is that what you

1798
01:19:22,970 --> 01:19:19,920
trance transmogrifies that's it that's

1799
01:19:26,689 --> 01:19:22,980
it man that sounds like a term from an

1800
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:26,699
old roger corman well you know I can't I

1801
01:19:30,550 --> 01:19:28,290
think Calvin from Calvin and Hobbes

1802
01:19:32,930 --> 01:19:30,560
resurrected that very good that's

1803
01:19:34,189 --> 01:19:32,940
magnification blaster or something yeah

1804
01:19:38,510 --> 01:19:34,199
that's right that's right

1805
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:38,520
so but but John now you know you you've

1806
01:19:44,900 --> 01:19:40,770
investigated you know you know hauntings

1807
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:44,910
and you know even had a show that you

1808
01:19:53,930 --> 01:19:49,890
were involved with so do you and I know

1809
01:19:57,010 --> 01:19:53,940
that the common consensus with all the

1810
01:19:59,780 --> 01:19:57,020
is that you know everyone's dealing with

1811
01:20:02,270 --> 01:19:59,790
you know your your deceased you know

1812
01:20:04,189 --> 01:20:02,280
grandma or you know our Uncle Fred who

1813
01:20:06,229 --> 01:20:04,199
died five years ago and is still you

1814
01:20:08,740 --> 01:20:06,239
know living in the bedroom you know or

1815
01:20:14,689 --> 01:20:08,750
you know haunting the bedroom closet

1816
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:14,699
but the association with a lot of these

1817
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:19,050
places there's more than just hauntings

1818
01:20:22,700 --> 01:20:20,850
as I know that you know you have found

1819
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:22,710
out I mean there there are other things

1820
01:20:26,689 --> 01:20:24,810
you know a lot of the witnesses also see

1821
01:20:29,510 --> 01:20:26,699
you know some of these bizarre creatures

1822
01:20:33,620 --> 01:20:29,520
or UFOs or things like that so you know

1823
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:33,630
have you often wondered that this this

1824
01:20:38,660 --> 01:20:35,610
you know the hauntings and other related

1825
01:20:41,270 --> 01:20:38,670
phenomena that it's maybe you know

1826
01:20:44,900 --> 01:20:41,280
something completely different than

1827
01:20:47,689 --> 01:20:44,910
we're currently thinking absolutely I

1828
01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:47,699
mean one of the things that I have

1829
01:20:51,910 --> 01:20:49,170
started to speak about more often

1830
01:20:54,620 --> 01:20:51,920
because it's where my brain is going is

1831
01:20:57,290 --> 01:20:54,630
it very much seems like whether you're

1832
01:21:01,070 --> 01:20:57,300
talking about ghosts or UFOs or cryptids

1833
01:21:02,420 --> 01:21:01,080
Mothman Braxton County Monsters VanMeter

1834
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:02,430
monsters whenever you're talking about

1835
01:21:09,530 --> 01:21:05,850
anything over the past you know few

1836
01:21:11,300 --> 01:21:09,540
decades as I've gone to these places and

1837
01:21:14,330 --> 01:21:11,310
talk to people and investigated cases

1838
01:21:19,700 --> 01:21:14,340
and gotten to know more people it seems

1839
01:21:21,170 --> 01:21:19,710
to me that it's the universe is playing

1840
01:21:24,470 --> 01:21:21,180
a game with us

1841
01:21:26,270 --> 01:21:24,480
and the only thing the cosmos has ever

1842
01:21:28,490 --> 01:21:26,280
really showed us is that it loves to

1843
01:21:30,740 --> 01:21:28,500
create it makes things than it destroys

1844
01:21:33,860 --> 01:21:30,750
them that rebuilds them and it's in this

1845
01:21:36,979 --> 01:21:33,870
constant process of of doing things and

1846
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:36,989
it seems almost like a play it seems

1847
01:21:44,689 --> 01:21:41,370
like it's a game and when you make the

1848
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:44,699
decision to play against it it puts a

1849
01:21:48,650 --> 01:21:47,010
new move in front of you so the universe

1850
01:21:51,770 --> 01:21:48,660
you know there are people's we'd call

1851
01:21:53,540 --> 01:21:51,780
them say it's very interesting that you

1852
01:21:55,700 --> 01:21:53,550
you put it very in there that's a

1853
01:21:58,550 --> 01:21:55,710
fascinating way to the word to put it

1854
01:22:01,280 --> 01:21:58,560
and if you don't play you get NOAA

1855
01:22:03,169 --> 01:22:01,290
you'll get no response yeah I was gonna

1856
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:03,179
say if you have cynics and skeptics and

1857
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:05,010
the universe taps them on the shoulder

1858
01:22:07,880 --> 01:22:06,690
and says do you want to play and they

1859
01:22:10,250 --> 01:22:07,890
say no and so

1860
01:22:12,140 --> 01:22:10,260
it doesn't play but you know a year

1861
01:22:13,340 --> 01:22:12,150
later or some other time later it'll tap

1862
01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:13,350
them again and say do you want to play

1863
01:22:18,140 --> 01:22:14,850
and they say no and so it doesn't play

1864
01:22:19,820 --> 01:22:18,150
with them with with people like us every

1865
01:22:22,340 --> 01:22:19,830
now and then it taps and says do you

1866
01:22:24,500 --> 01:22:22,350
want to play and and so we play and then

1867
01:22:26,030 --> 01:22:24,510
it gives us something to think about now

1868
01:22:28,550 --> 01:22:26,040
what's interesting to me is it seems

1869
01:22:31,310 --> 01:22:28,560
like you know I don't believe that we're

1870
01:22:33,530 --> 01:22:31,320
the only thing in the universe and so I

1871
01:22:36,350 --> 01:22:33,540
do think that there are probably people

1872
01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:36,360
who are also playing this game or beings

1873
01:22:41,480 --> 01:22:39,210
that are also playing this game and they

1874
01:22:44,750 --> 01:22:41,490
are probably better at it than we are

1875
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:44,760
and so not only are we playing a game

1876
01:22:51,740 --> 01:22:49,530
against the cosmic mind there are other

1877
01:22:53,570 --> 01:22:51,750
players involved who are also playing

1878
01:23:00,050 --> 01:22:53,580
that are being intertwined in our lives

1879
01:23:03,590 --> 01:23:00,060
now that that's an interesting concept I

1880
01:23:08,260 --> 01:23:03,600
had never thought about that before that

1881
01:23:11,390 --> 01:23:08,270
there there could be alternative players

1882
01:23:13,700 --> 01:23:11,400
sure well involved in all this with us

1883
01:23:16,610 --> 01:23:13,710
now you know Tim that's that's that's

1884
01:23:19,730 --> 01:23:16,620
somewhat similar to what Paulino talks

1885
01:23:23,090 --> 01:23:19,740
about oh yes of course

1886
01:23:29,870 --> 01:23:23,100
yeah well there yeah there we are in

1887
01:23:32,810 --> 01:23:29,880
some sort of cosmic video game well you

1888
01:23:35,330 --> 01:23:32,820
know like I say maybe maybe there may be

1889
01:23:36,980 --> 01:23:35,340
the teenagers come home and into the

1890
01:23:39,650 --> 01:23:36,990
spaceship you know we're like at 4

1891
01:23:43,160 --> 01:23:39,660
o'clock every afternoon and decide to do

1892
01:23:45,110 --> 01:23:43,170
sort of the you know the computer Issac

1893
01:23:47,810 --> 01:23:45,120
playing Nintendo or something like that

1894
01:23:49,550 --> 01:23:47,820
you know and or maybe they do it once

1895
01:23:53,690 --> 01:23:49,560
every year a hundred thousand years and

1896
01:23:57,110 --> 01:23:53,700
they program the reprogram the the

1897
01:23:58,670 --> 01:23:57,120
computer you know what story I like Tim

1898
01:24:04,010 --> 01:23:58,680
if you remember at Ted Phillips talks

1899
01:24:06,980 --> 01:24:04,020
about this creature or does device down

1900
01:24:10,310 --> 01:24:06,990
in the the cave that he's wanted to get

1901
01:24:14,180 --> 01:24:10,320
to for years like the moon the moon

1902
01:24:16,520 --> 01:24:14,190
shaft area yeah yet I mean that that's

1903
01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:16,530
such a fascinating net there could be

1904
01:24:20,330 --> 01:24:18,210
played there could be places like that

1905
01:24:21,649 --> 01:24:20,340
although well John Kehoe talked about

1906
01:24:23,649 --> 01:24:21,659
the eight tower

1907
01:24:27,709 --> 01:24:23,659
we're supposed to be the these towers

1908
01:24:33,290 --> 01:24:27,719
you know any earth around the the planet

1909
01:24:37,370 --> 01:24:33,300
that are sending us some sort of maybe a

1910
01:24:39,470 --> 01:24:37,380
way and waves or something that's a kind

1911
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:39,480
of enabling these are these beings to

1912
01:24:46,580 --> 01:24:43,050
play this game you know kind of kind of

1913
01:24:48,919 --> 01:24:46,590
setting us up for it I guess I mean it's

1914
01:24:50,300 --> 01:24:48,929
go ahead I'm sorry so no I was gonna say

1915
01:24:53,540 --> 01:24:50,310
I think it's just interesting because

1916
01:24:56,780 --> 01:24:53,550
when you when at least when I apply this

1917
01:24:58,970 --> 01:24:56,790
idea of a game like I I start to it

1918
01:25:00,709 --> 01:24:58,980
seems to me like I start to understand

1919
01:25:02,750 --> 01:25:00,719
which is weird because then that means

1920
01:25:04,430 --> 01:25:02,760
that the as soon as you understand right

1921
01:25:05,899 --> 01:25:04,440
it's going to checkmate you and give you

1922
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:05,909
another move that you don't understand

1923
01:25:10,070 --> 01:25:08,010
but when I think about it in the terms

1924
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:10,080
of a game it's like so if you look at

1925
01:25:14,930 --> 01:25:13,290
the airship way of of you know the 1890s

1926
01:25:15,709 --> 01:25:14,940
it's like okay I'm gonna give you

1927
01:25:19,610 --> 01:25:15,719
airships

1928
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:19,620
next move it gives us is okay I'm going

1929
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:20,489
to give you something that's not

1930
01:25:24,140 --> 01:25:22,650
airships and then we make something

1931
01:25:26,300 --> 01:25:24,150
that's not airships it's gives us the

1932
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:26,310
next step and you can even apply this

1933
01:25:31,879 --> 01:25:30,330
game as to the occult and magic right so

1934
01:25:34,610 --> 01:25:31,889
you have people who are playing the game

1935
01:25:36,439 --> 01:25:34,620
you have people who are drawing strange

1936
01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:36,449
sigils and and doing strange

1937
01:25:39,830 --> 01:25:38,250
incantations and the universe says oh

1938
01:25:42,500 --> 01:25:39,840
you're gonna play this way so I'm gonna

1939
01:25:44,060 --> 01:25:42,510
play back by giving you this thing you

1940
01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:44,070
know I'm gonna give you a manifestation

1941
01:25:49,399 --> 01:25:47,850
of good or bad or wealth or luck or

1942
01:25:51,649 --> 01:25:49,409
whatever you want to call it but it does

1943
01:25:53,629 --> 01:25:51,659
it really the more I think about it and

1944
01:25:55,459 --> 01:25:53,639
the more that I look at my life and how

1945
01:25:58,149 --> 01:25:55,469
my life has evolved in the lifes of my

1946
01:26:02,570 --> 01:25:58,159
friends it seems like when you engage

1947
01:26:04,310 --> 01:26:02,580
this cosmic game plays back and there

1948
01:26:06,399 --> 01:26:04,320
are repeats when you talked about the

1949
01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:06,409
the majestic airships that went over in

1950
01:26:09,979 --> 01:26:09,210
1897 in Ohio it made kind of a circuit

1951
01:26:13,340 --> 01:26:09,989
around Ohio

1952
01:26:15,140 --> 01:26:13,350
I think mid-april to mid-may well they

1953
01:26:18,709 --> 01:26:15,150
were also seeing a bigfoot-like creature

1954
01:26:21,919 --> 01:26:18,719
near the Serpent Mound and they're all

1955
01:26:24,379 --> 01:26:21,929
saying seeing a large cat-like creature

1956
01:26:26,930 --> 01:26:24,389
so you have a high strangest area a

1957
01:26:31,899 --> 01:26:26,940
window area going on a hundred years ago

1958
01:26:35,149 --> 01:26:31,909
and these drunks have been repeated hmm

1959
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:35,159
very interesting well and you know and

1960
01:26:43,700 --> 01:26:35,370
that

1961
01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:43,710
maybe had your finger on what was going

1962
01:26:50,390 --> 01:26:48,570
on then it would go and change you and

1963
01:26:51,530 --> 01:26:50,400
then and then you were back you know

1964
01:26:52,970 --> 01:26:51,540
back to square one again

1965
01:26:55,310 --> 01:26:52,980
and if you had a certain frame of

1966
01:26:57,470 --> 01:26:55,320
reference he said belief was the enemy

1967
01:26:59,360 --> 01:26:57,480
look out because it's gonna the

1968
01:27:02,230 --> 01:26:59,370
manifestations will shape around your

1969
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:02,240
belief and give you what you want

1970
01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:04,410
absolutely I mean a belief you know

1971
01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:05,850
beliefs I always I say this at my

1972
01:27:09,740 --> 01:27:07,770
lectures a lot you know belief having a

1973
01:27:14,150 --> 01:27:09,750
belief in something is wearing concrete

1974
01:27:17,210 --> 01:27:14,160
shoes I know ideas are flexible they

1975
01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:17,220
mold and Bend and grow and a belief is

1976
01:27:21,530 --> 01:27:19,050
is just you know something rigid that

1977
01:27:22,850 --> 01:27:21,540
gets you stuck in the past and again the

1978
01:27:25,850 --> 01:27:22,860
only thing the universe has ever shown

1979
01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:25,860
us is that it loves to change and so you

1980
01:27:29,570 --> 01:27:27,690
know when you try and stagnate the

1981
01:27:32,240 --> 01:27:29,580
entire force of the cosmos is going to

1982
01:27:37,190 --> 01:27:32,250
come against you well you know we don't

1983
01:27:39,650 --> 01:27:37,200
we don't like to change we're

1984
01:27:41,480 --> 01:27:39,660
approaching we're approaching that we're

1985
01:27:45,290 --> 01:27:41,490
approaching the midnight hour here Tim I

1986
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:45,300
mean it's like coming up real fast on us

1987
01:27:51,470 --> 01:27:48,930
and I think we want to go around the kco

1988
01:27:56,510 --> 01:27:51,480
are exploring the bizarre table one last

1989
01:27:58,430 --> 01:27:56,520
time to let our guests to tell us what

1990
01:28:00,500 --> 01:27:58,440
what they're doing I mean the most

1991
01:28:04,310 --> 01:28:00,510
recent thing is that they got coming up

1992
01:28:07,550 --> 01:28:04,320
so that our listeners can veer off to

1993
01:28:10,100 --> 01:28:07,560
the website after the show and and do

1994
01:28:12,020 --> 01:28:10,110
some further research on our two very

1995
01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:12,030
excellent guests this evening it has

1996
01:28:17,720 --> 01:28:14,330
been a pleasure and John why don't we

1997
01:28:19,160 --> 01:28:17,730
start out with the year sure I've tried

1998
01:28:21,350 --> 01:28:19,170
to make it as easy as possible for

1999
01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:21,360
people to find me online that it's just

2000
01:28:24,890 --> 01:28:23,610
if they search just google search John

2001
01:28:26,240 --> 01:28:24,900
al teni

2002
01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:26,250
and it should take you to my website

2003
01:28:30,500 --> 01:28:28,530
which is weird lectures calm and my

2004
01:28:32,450 --> 01:28:30,510
Twitter and Facebook and Instagram and

2005
01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:32,460
all that stuff or you can just type my

2006
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:35,730
last name 10 et and an ey and weirdo

2007
01:28:43,040 --> 01:28:38,010
after it and that should lead you down

2008
01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:43,050
some rabbit holes as well and and Steve

2009
01:28:47,330 --> 01:28:44,850
what about you when's the Mothman

2010
01:28:49,370 --> 01:28:47,340
festival taking place third weekend in

2011
01:28:51,140 --> 01:28:49,380
September the UFO contest

2012
01:28:53,750 --> 01:28:51,150
it's the 4th weekend in September and

2013
01:28:55,939 --> 01:28:53,760
the evander visitor festival is the last

2014
01:28:59,830 --> 01:28:55,949
weekend in September and becoming

2015
01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:02,629
YouTube channel where we're going to be

2016
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:04,770
you know doing just be debuting in

2017
01:29:09,410 --> 01:29:07,770
September I'm getting the fall you can

2018
01:29:14,120 --> 01:29:09,420
hear me weakly on Mac Maloney's military

2019
01:29:15,500 --> 01:29:14,130
x-files and also I have a chapter in a

2020
01:29:18,379 --> 01:29:15,510
book you may have heard of called weird

2021
01:29:23,390 --> 01:29:18,389
winged wonders talking about no surprise

2022
01:29:25,729 --> 01:29:23,400
the Mothman and the Mothman festival I

2023
01:29:28,090 --> 01:29:25,739
think that book sounds familiar I think

2024
01:29:32,120 --> 01:29:28,100
yeah I think a couple of timsy

2025
01:29:34,760 --> 01:29:32,130
contributions hey I got a I got a throw

2026
01:29:36,500 --> 01:29:34,770
in a plug we have just finished screwed

2027
01:29:40,790 --> 01:29:36,510
by the aliens I believe this is the last

2028
01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:40,800
PDF version of the book it's 322 pages

2029
01:29:45,320 --> 01:29:43,530
and our graphics guy I think he's about

2030
01:29:47,720 --> 01:29:45,330
ready to go crazy with it and I can't

2031
01:29:49,550 --> 01:29:47,730
blame them but it's done and over with

2032
01:29:51,229 --> 01:29:49,560
and should be on sale in a couple of

2033
01:29:53,689 --> 01:29:51,239
days and you all have to order a copy

2034
01:29:55,850 --> 01:29:53,699
except for our guest that I will share a

2035
01:29:58,640 --> 01:29:55,860
copy with them well well swap books you

2036
01:30:00,590 --> 01:29:58,650
know so hey I don't know it we've got

2037
01:30:04,129 --> 01:30:00,600
some great guests coming up we've got

2038
01:30:06,620 --> 01:30:04,139
Calvin Parker and Jerry Clark coming on

2039
01:30:08,870 --> 01:30:06,630
is that next week Tim Jenison student

2040
01:30:11,720 --> 01:30:08,880
oh yeah because you know Calvin Parker

2041
01:30:13,340 --> 01:30:11,730
crossed Pascagoula I've got some inside

2042
01:30:16,399 --> 01:30:13,350
information on that that nobody else

2043
01:30:18,470 --> 01:30:16,409
knows about him in yes Calvin and anyway

2044
01:30:19,970 --> 01:30:18,480
a good night to everybody I want to say

2045
01:30:22,820 --> 01:30:19,980
thank you again to our guests at the

2046
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:22,830
team sports at the Tina and to Peter and

2047
01:30:30,229 --> 01:30:27,530
to Helen and Carol and Bill and

2048
01:30:35,270 --> 01:30:30,239
everybody else that is associated with

2049
01:30:42,089 --> 01:30:38,099
you've been listening to exploring the

2050
01:30:42,949 --> 01:30:42,099
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2051
01:30:45,810 --> 01:30:42,959
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2052
01:30:48,719 --> 01:30:45,820
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2053
01:30:50,819 --> 01:30:48,729
non-stop across the cosmos in search of

2054
01:30:54,609 --> 01:30:50,829
the truly bizarre and totally

2055
01:30:57,120 --> 01:30:54,619
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2056
01:31:01,600 --> 01:30:57,130
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2057
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2060
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